Mostly Cloudy / 66° F
FF resident Prischmann taking in RNC [UPDATED]
Published 11:08am Thursday, August 30, 2012 Updated 8:24am Monday, September 10, 2012In the marquee conservative event of the political season, Fergus Falls resident Karen Prischmann wants to make sure that Otter Tail County is represented well.
“I’m doing my best,” she said.
Prischmann is one of the 40 alternate delegates from Minnesota attending the Republican National Convention in Tampa, Fla., and she and her husband Tom are enjoying every minute of it. She’s drinking in the speeches, the celebratory atmosphere and the chance to see conservative heavyweights up close and personal.
In fact, she’s already accomplished one of her personal goals for the convention. When she and her Minnesotan brethren first arrived in the Tampa airport over the weekend, she was briefly interviewed by a local TV crew.
“I said I was looking the most forward to hearing Mitt Romney speak and shaking Michele Bachmann’s hand,” she said.
Though hurricane concerns caused the GOP to push back its Monday start date of the convention – “All we got was rain and some really fierce winds,” Prischmann noted – the Minnesota delegation still met that morning for breakfast and information. Prischmann wasn’t expecting to see anyone too famous.
“Someone tapped me on the shoulder, and I turned around and it was Michele Bachmann,” said Prischmann.
With her first personal goal down, she’s looking forward to seeing Romney speak tonight.
Of course, Prischmann’s personal goals were secondary to her true purpose at the convention: participating as a delegate if one of the 40 regular delegates had to bow out. That didn’t happen, but Prischmann said it’s still been an honor to represent her state. She’s been able to be on the floor of the Tampa Bay Times Forum arena quite a bit, so long as official voting procedures aren’t going on. For TV watchers, she said that the Minnesotan delegation can be easily seen because they’re right next to the delegates from Texas.
“They’ve all got cowboy hats on,” she said with a laugh.
Every morning, the delegation meets for breakfast and word about what they’ll be doing. They also hear a speaker, one of many throughout the day (Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker spoke to the delegates on Tuesday). In the afternoon, they head to the heavily secured arena, which fills to the brim by the time all of the delegates arrive.
Throughout the day, procedural and candidate votes are interspersed with music and speakers – each of whom get more famous as the night goes on. Though Prischmann was inspired by Ann Romney and entertained and informed by Chris Christie, she also was interested to learn about lesser-known people like South Carolina’s Indian American Governor Nikki Haley, who told the crowd the story of how her hardworking immigrant parents made it in this country.
“She said, ‘Only in America could this happen,’” recalled Prischmann, adding that Haley’s speech was part of a “We Built This” theme being touted at the convention – a theme seen by many as a response to a recent controversial speech by President Barack Obama.
The speeches have been a real highlight for Prischmann, who said it’s easier to hear the whole of someone’s views by listening to them talk rather than just hearing a sound bite. Another highlight has been interacting with her fellow delegates and alternates, many of whom come from different kinds of conservative backgrounds than she does.
Prischmann noted that the majority of the regular Minnesotan delegates were supporters of GOP candidate Ron Paul, and many were unhappy with some convention rules changes they thought were aimed at keeping them from voting for their candidate of choice (Minnesota’s caucus vote went to Rick Santorum). Though they sometimes disagree on political philosophy, Prischmann said they’ve all had an enriching experience discussing their ideals, and she feels like everyone has gained a different perspective – a feeling she applies to the convention as a whole.
That she and every other person from a small town or out-of-the-way place could make it to Tampa is an example in her mind that grassroots politics can make a difference.
“There’s old people, there’s young people, there’s good looking people and not so good looking people,” she said. “It’s amazing to me that you can have so many diverse backgrounds and still come to some conclusions.”
RNC convention of liars.. where romney tells us Obama has not fixed the recession the repubs caused again like under reagan..BUT he neglects to tell us that his tea party boys have filibustered everything obama since day 3 in jan 09.. he ignores how NORM BOY coleman blocked al frankin from sitting with a baseless challenge for 7 months so the senate was deadlocked with 59 dems not able to stop a repub filibuster.. and after jan 2010 again deadlocked by repub filibusters.. IT COSTS MONEY TO FIX REPUB MESSES..yet them repubs want the poor and elderly to pay for the mess the rich bankers made..repubs = losers and half truth liars.. a half truth means you ommitted facts that dont support your statement.. so its a LIE OF OMMISSION..IE A LIE
As I watch the republican parade of fantasy I’m struck by how many times I hear speaker after speaker say silly things like…”if you work hard you can grow up to be President of the United States”. Throw away comments like that are of course meant to placate that wage earner who has worked hard at several jobs for his entire work life and still finds himself in the ditch of capitalism. Those statements are also meant to encourage that low wage worker to work harder, longer and more efficiently in the cause of his employers quest to become a millionaire.
I wonder if any of those republican robots ever gave any thought as how long we humans would have to live in order for everyone who works hard and wants to become President to be President for at least one term.
The best line of the entire parade of fools came from Ann Romney. “It doesn’t matter where you came from, it matters where you are going”. Really Ann? It doesn’t matter? Where have you been for the past four years as conservative tea baggers filled every breath with innuendo about President Obama’s birthplace.
That just shows how out of touch both Romney’s are.
actually the true indication of the out of touch romneys is his stinking unpatriotic yacht.. flying not the flag of the united states of america.. of which he wants to be president.. it flies the flag of the billionaires club..the cayman islands.. what an unpatriotic loser this guy is..and his buddy ryan is the same loser in training
It is pleasant to know that a local resident has influence at a national convention.
I hope you enjoy yourself, Karen, it took a lot of work to get there!
My oh my,
Chuck Weber and Richard-Acker-Chipmunk sure are giving us a demonstration of the sweetness and benevolence and love of their fellow humans the Democrats claim as exclusively their own.
How did you like Paul Ryan’s line “There is nothing wrong with becoming successful.Isn’t that what is the dream of Americans, to become successful?” Or, “It is sad that people in their twenties are forced to live in their childhood bedrooms, watching fading posters of Barack Obama, and not able to get out and start living their lives with jobs and a future”.
Both of you ,like your master 0bama have nothing to offer but hatred, envy, and lies and insults for any who refuse to embrace your hatred and envy.
Well when those kids are sitting in their bedrooms they should remember that it was the republicans who put them there. It was the republicans who filibustered S.3816 to stop tax breaks for companies who ship American jobs overseas.
It was republicans who filibustered a bill (S. 1723) to put thousands of public school teachers and police and firefighters back to work.
It was republicans who filibustered S.1769, the rebuild American jobs act which would have put 2 – 3 million people back to work.
It was republicans who filibustered the paycheck fairness act (S.3220) which would allow women to be paid the same as men for the same work.
In short the republican have done everything in their power to wreck the economy of this country for their own selfish political gain. Now they want jobless people to blame Obama for what the republican have purposely done.
Hey Camilla, since you’re not the President, that must mean that you aren’t working hard enough. Don’t you want to be a successful millionaire. You better start following Paul Ryan’s advise, buckle down and stop wasting time. Get out of your childhood bedroom and get a job, start being a productive member of American society.
MY OH MY camilla is showing exactly why repubs are idiots and a waste of time to talk to..DIG IT CAMMMY I am an EX repub for a reason.. 1 this is your 3rd bubble burst/stock market crash in 80 years . 1929 caused by coolidge and then hoover using tax breaks for the rich from 1929 to 1932 and failing to fix that depression you repubs caused..cept back then you repubs called them VOLUNTEERISM.. and in 1981 reagan did coolidge’s folly again and gave us another bubble burst and stock market crash and he raised the national debt from 900million to over 2.5 trillion.. bush jr gave us the same bubble burst AGAIN and a worse crash.. and HE intentionally doubled the national debt BY NOT INCLUDING the wars in his BUDGET..and you repubs said nothing..AND NOW YOU LOSERS WHINE about the cost to fix your intentional mess you caused with that failed tax breaks for the rich trickle down thats a proven failure.. REPUBS DONT DESERVE A LICK OF RESPECT OR COMPASSION..they only deserve a BOOT TO THE CURB
convention of liars
-republican parade of fantasy
-the entire parade of fools came from Ann Romney
-his stinking unpatriotic yacht
-unpatriotic loser this guy is
-ryan is the same loser in training
-conservative tea baggers
-the billionaires club
-the ditch of capitalism
IS THIS THE BEST YOU THREE CAN COME UP WITH? OR CAN WE JUST CALL YOU ALL JEALOUS OF ROMNEY AND RYAN’S SUCCESS?
Hey Dave, we have to work with what you give us.
I know you won’t believe this, but I knew the minute I saw Camilla was back Dave Adams would be back. Just like when Bill is here, Jerome is here. Multiple personalities doesn’t convince me there are more of you.
I could have mentioned that republican delegate who threw peanuts at a black camera woman for ABC. With the comment,
“that’s how we feed animals”. That’s the kind of behaviour your party spawns and that the stuff we and others are commenting on, Davella.
Richard Ackermunk, the offer still stands to meet with Bill and Camilla and I in a restaurant of your choice in Fergus, and for you to bring along Larry/Walt and Phaedrus whoever. I believe that Dave Adams would love to join the kaffeklatch as well.
not jealous little repub.. disgusted with clowns that make their success off the sweat and blood of the middle class and then treat them like dirt..like the bain capital that just outsourced the sensata people and sent those AMERICAN JOBS OVERSEAS.. its a dang recession you repubs caused and yet you still shaft american workers..thats the repub I AM DISGUSTED WITH ..keep proving repubs ARE pigs and IDIOTS and a waste of time to speak to
Did anyone else hear Ryan blame Obama for an auto factory that closed during the Bush years? Or that he, Ryan, voted and campaigned for the 2002 stimulus bill? Or that he, Ryan, blamed Obama for not working to pass Bowles-Simpson when he, Ryan, voted against it? Or did you hear him blame Obama for the drop in the credit rating when those who created the rating blamed inaction of Congress of which Ryan is a part?
Now any or all of the usual posters can correct me if I’m wrong on any or all of these facts. You can make excuses and tell me history isn’t really what the history is. You can call me names or attack my credibility if you wish, but it would be in the best interest of our nation if you stick to the facts, math and an accurate understanding of history.
Fact checking Ryan’s (Eddy Munster) speech would be a full time job. Even when he blamed Obama for the GM plant closing in his home town…A FULL 30 DAYS BEFORE OBAMA BECAME PRESIDENT the gaggle of robots just kept clapping and nodding as if they thought people outside the convention hall couldn’t count.
Wait until he tries that crap with Joe Biden, he will get his lunch handed to him.
R$ichard, you got the GM plant right. It did close under Bush but are you sure it was only a month before Obama became president? I didn’t check the time line only know it was B.O..
Larry, I presume that BO is Marxistspeak for Before Obama. Putting him right up there with “Before Christ”, I assume?
It closed 30 days before Obama took office, but GM had announced it would close six months before it’s official closing. I don’t understand what Eddy Munster is whining about anyway. He want’s to vice president to the guy who said the entire industry should go bankrupt.
And the best Davella has is that we are being big meanies for telling the truth. Boohoo, Boohoo.
repubs dont care if their right or wrong.. they ignore facts and spew their own concept of reality as truth.. their rushpunk proves this daily..THEY whine about the debt now..but ignored the buhboy doubling the debt and now they refuse to pay to fix their mess.. they filibuster everything they could since jan 2009..because NORM coleman delayed al frankin sitting as the 60th/filibusterproof senate seat for 7 months.. and then when they won kennedys seat in jan 2010 ..because people were stupid enough to believe the tea bag lie of JOBS NUMBER 1 issue.. in nov 2010 they blackmailed OBAMA into leaving the tax breaks for the rich in place..HEY REPUB LIARS WHERE ARE THE JOBS YOUR TAX BREAKS are supposed to make.. all I see those tax breaks doing is fund super pac lies.. and in all of 2011 NOT ONE JOBS BILL was done by the repubs..thus they lied..BUT THEY SURE WASTED MONEY on defending a religious based issue called DOMA..repubs all say they want small government.. but they sure use big government to push their religious based issues as secular laws.. HEY didnt we just kill OSAMA BIN LADEN for trying to force secular law to take a second place to religious based SHARIA Law.. but of course repub christian zealots ignore the truth because they feel god is only on their side and all other non evangelical religions are blasphemey..this is the true definition of repubs..ever since the party sold out to the jerry falwell moral majority in 1979 and was slowly being bought out by the ALEC inspired libertarian KOCH BROTHERS
Richardmunk and Larry/Walt.
Even your official network, CNN, in the person of Wolf Bliyzer, sheepishly admitted that Paul Ryan had his facts straight. To wit:
March and April of 2008, GM announces that the Janesville plant, which manufactured light trucks and SUVs, would suspend operations for making the trucks. Candidate 0bama goes to Janesville and says that under his government the jobs and the plant would be saved.
Late in the campaign, GM announces that the plant will cease operations early in 2009, after the elections. Obama again promises he will save the jobs and the plant.
Obama inaugurated in late January 2009.
The plant closes some four months later. 0bama buys GM with stimulus funds, but the plant, closed during his presidency, is closed to this day. These same “fact finders” who claimed the plant was closed under W’s administration are the people who claim that 0bama is not stealing $716 billion from Medicare to pay for abortions, contraceptives, medical care for illegal aliens, but a careful exam of the wording in 0bamacare shows that the theft is genuine, that finding from the impartial Congressional Budget Office. Nice try at spreading the false info of the Democrat party, but, W R O N G GGG!!!
Don’t you ever get tired of being wrong. You not only got my news source wrong, you got your facts wrong. I don’t know what Blitzer said, but if he said what you say he said then he was wrong also. Eddie admitted as much during an interview with Brian Williams on NBC tonight.
But you just keep hanging with a bunch of losers and you will be scratching your head in November wondering why people failed to vote for a liar.
the money you repubs keep saying obama is taking is coming from reduced provider payouts.. but you half truth repub liars never say that.. however your ryan sure wants to steal money from the elderly by making medicare a voucher and maybe allowing seniors to lose their coverage due to prexisting conditions..IE REPUBLICAN DEATH PANELS
Jerome–according to the Detroit Free Press, the Jaynesville plant, which was the oldest of the GM plants closed in December of 2008, the month before Obama took office. During a campaign speech in Feb. of 2008 spoke to a Jaynesville crowd and said of the need to convert to alternative energy sources to transport us and with the government’s help that conversion could keep the plant open for 100 years.
I know how some conservatives want to condemn the source so here is a list of multiple sources that all condemn Ryan’s statement–Politifact, ABC, NBC, Bloomberg. However, this from CNN December 23, 2008: SUV production ends, and more than 2,000 GM workers are laid off, according to the Gazette. Medium truck production continues. In April, 2009 the medium truck line closed with the loss of 57 jobs.
If 57 people represents “a fully functional plant” then I guess Ryan only stretched the truth, but I would suggest “doing mop up work in a shuttered factory is not really “an open plant.” For all intents and purposes the plant closed in December of 2008, just as it had been scheduled to close.
Jerome–here’s some numbers for you to check $100 the cost for senior care on a fee for service basis (government run vs. $117 the cost for the same service on Medicare Advantage (health care paid for with Medicare funds) on the “managed care”/by for profit insurance companies system created to spur competition and balance the budget in 1996. Check those numbers and see if they are accurate. Obama “raided” Medicare by removing the extra $17 in promotion and profit from insurance companies under Medicare Advantage. If you find those nmumbers are not true, please post.
Richard/Ackermunk. Why is that every time you show up your dopplegangers Larry/Walt and Phaedrus are only minutes behind? The offer is still open for you and Larry/Walt and Phaedrus whoever to show your faces by joinung us for coffee in any restaurant in Fergus Falls. I believe that Dave Adams woul love to join the kaffeeklatch as well. Show yourself, or just keep raising your strawman bunkum.
jealous of Romneys success? Romney made his fortune by sending jobs out of the USA,hiding assets in offshore bank accounts, and using create book keeping to receive more back from the IRS than He paid in via tax credits for donating to his church, which in reality bought influence, aka stealing your tax dollars.
it would be difficult for a moral person to admire, condone the actions of, or even be jealous of such a deplorable and anti-American person as Mitt Romney.
Don, can I add something to consider?–Ronald Reagan and his brand of Republicans changed the tax code to encourage investment. Romney and other investors are paying only 15% on their income, this to encourage investment. However, when the mood suits them they can take their profits and move them out of the country, thus there is no benefit to the general economy and their tax rate of 15% can’t really be justified fo they are NOT creating jobs as intended. Raising taxes on profits from investments that are not reinvested in the American economy seems to be only fair. There is no jealousy here; no envy, just a suggestion we insist investors play the whole game not just the part they wish to play.
I do find a certain level of satisfaction seeing the GOP put all their eggs into the “We built this” basket! nothing could be a more satisfying example of how out of touch the Right has become than preposterously wealthy manicured handed businessmen, token Black businessmen, and token businesswomen, ranting on and on about how they themselves personally built all the roads, bridges, power lines, regulations, national debt, and infrastructure in these United States. LOL
well they definately are guilty of the national debt.. it was 900 million when reagan took office and over 2.5 trillion when he left and there was a bubble burst and a crash that raised the debt when bush sr was in office.. then bush intentionally doubled it by not including the wars in his budgets and gave us another bubble burst and a worse crash..ya them repubs sure know how to build debt and a big mess
wonder what Ron Paul’s speech will be like?
libertarian lies about the good of small gov and less regulation.. ie a koch brothers mouthpiece..just like 30 years ago.. ie same tea party crud..different day
When I was but a youngun we shuttered a cheese plant for two weeks to do routine maintenance. The night before we were to restart I had one last thing I thought we needed to check but the bosses thought I was too expensive to keep around any longer and besides they wanted a beer. That was one bad and expensive idea they had. The moral of the story–shuttered plants are not so easy to restart.
I have often wondered where do people like Dave Adams, Camilla Ryan, Jerome Mullins and Bill manage to scrape up the bilge they spread here. But after watching the republican convention I now understand their problem. When you live in a world where science is a joke, history is something that never happened and lies are spread like peanut butter, it should not come as a surprise when its adherents are bewildered by facts and science. It shouldn’t come as a surprise when its adherents feel comfortable repeating one lie after another and resent being confronted with the truth.
Looks like the zookeeper left the cages unlatched, and all the wild beasties are roaming about looking for prey to devour. What are you going to do in November when the Joker is thrown out and the adults are once again in charge? Even your favorite prophet, Michael Moore,today threw up his hands and said the game was over, and the left better get used to hearing “President Romney”, cause no amount of “truth telling” by the 0bama camp can conceal the hideous state of affairs in our economy.
President Romney? Only if anti-American obstructionism has a reward.
ya billy the economy sucks a bit..but of course you repunks will never admit you caused this recession and you refuse to pay to clean it up..because you insist you need those tax breaks for the rich ..which failed to fix the great depression from 1929 to 1932 under repub hoover..but he called tax breaks for the rich volunteerism back then..so you repunks still push a failed agenda and you block Obamas attempts to create infrastructure jobs with a tax increase on stock trades ..by using filibusters..then you have the gall billyboy to blame Obama for this slow recovery when you punk repunks are blocking every recovery step with filibusters..KEEP LYING BILLY BOY..you are proof repubs are idiots and a waste of time to talk to..the one thing that you prove is that people who believe repub lies, they are too stupid to research the truth and the facts..and thus the result is they become idiot sheep like yourself who bleat for the tea party idiot libertarians..and koch ho’s
Anyone notice our conservative friends don’t seem to be up to the challenge of discussing the “facts” presented by Paul Ryan? The plant closing was the only decent attempt but even that got sidetracked by exaggeration. Sort of sad and very scary I think.
http://gazettextra.com/photos/galleries/last-day-gm/3119/
Interesting things you can find on the “net” when you know how to look for them and aren’t afraid of what you’ll find.
It is quite interesting, isn’t it Larry?
Thursday, Feb. 19, 2009
“JANESVILLE — General Motors will end medium-duty truck production in Janesville on April 23, four months to the day after the plant stopped building full-size sport utility vehicles.”
http://gazettextra.com/news/2009/feb/19/gm-plant-last-day-finalized/
Larry, can you explain why the source you used to paint Paul Ryan as a liar also, per the post from Mike, shows that you have made a dishonest attempt to portray a part of the truth. But, you ommitted the most important part, which shows that Paul Ryan, and not the radical left “truth seekers”, was telling the truth when he said that the GM plant candidate 0bama promised would stay open actually was closed several months after 0bama became president.
Bill– this from CNN which used the Detroit Free Press as one of their sources–The Detroit News pointed out that Obama made no such promise in the February 13, 2008, speech, and indeed, we’ve seen no account suggesting that Obama did. Here is the quote at issue, according to an account kept by the Council on Foreign Relations:
“I know that General Motors received some bad news yesterday, and I know how hard your governor has fought to keep jobs in this plant. But I also know how much progress you’ve made — how many hybrids and fuel-efficient vehicles you’re churning out,” Obama said. “And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years.”
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-08-30/politics/politics_pol-fact-check-ryan-gm_1_gm-plant-president-obama-barack-obama
Remember GM went ahead and closed the plant/stopped production at the plant on December 23, 2008.
And this from the GazetteXtra.com that Mike used as a source earlier THE FACTS: The plant halted production in December 2008, weeks before Obama took office and well before he enacted a more robust auto industry bailout that rescued GM and Chrysler and allowed the majority of their plants — though not the Janesville facility — to stay in operation. Ryan himself voted for an auto bailout under President George W. Bush that was designed to help GM, but he was a vocal critic of the one pushed through by Obama that has been widely credited with revitalizing both GM and Chrysler.
http://gazettextra.com/news/2012/aug/30/fact-check-ryan-takes-factual-shortcuts-speech/
So now the question for you “Which direction does a liar lead?”
Mike, from the link you posted “The Isuzu line and its employees build about 25 trucks four days a week. The cab-forward truck is commonly used as a delivery vehicle.”
Notice the word Isuzu. Are you suggesting Obama made some sort of copmmitment to Isuzu or that he should have made such a commitment?
This issue of the plant closing isn’t the first time words by our President have been twisted and contorted to suit the imagination of the tea baggers. Just weeks ago his “you didn’t build that” remark was reported inaccurately by Fox news then used to spread rumor and lies for the political gain of a party with no moral grounding.
Remember this is the same political cabal who ranted that then Senator Obama sat in a pew and listened to the likes of Reverend Wright and today embrace a candidate who wears magic underwear and thinks Jesus lives on a planet with some tin foil hat name.
Remember also just two years ago when John Bonier said that if we elected a republican house there would be “jobs, jobs, jobs”. Instead we got no jobs, as a matter of fact the republican voted against putting Teachers, Police and Firefighters back to work.
Instead of more jobs we nothing but divisive abortion issues and every other right wing program promoted by the religious fanatics in the republican party.
Hey, did anyone notice that thing Romney and Ryan used during their speeches? I can’t remember its name but I think it starts with a “T”….teletype? No, no that’s not it. Oh, oh I’ve got it, telephone! No that’s not it either. Wait a minute, I bet it was a television, it had a small screen. No it couldn’t have been a television.
I wonder what that thing was. I know it could not have been a teleprompter because for the past four years the republicans have been ridiculing and mocking President Obama for using a teleprompter and we all know they would never stoop to nominating a candidate so “aloof” that he used a teleprompter. Why if it had been a teleprompter the republicans would have run Ryan and Romney out of the convention center for being a Chicago elitist.
Did they really? I couldn’t watch either night. Weds is family night and last night was Viking, Gopher and high school football. Got to keep the priorities straight.
I did see the Sally Kohn review of the Ryan speech on Fox though. Some friends they turned out to be, ouch!
Oh I forgot–Wayzata-52 Bloomington Jefferson-7
Thanks for the update on the score, Larry. I couldn’t have got to sleep tonight without knowing the outcome of such world shaking events.
Any news on who won the blue ribbon for wooly lambs at the State Fair?
The Blue Ribbon was won by a Goat named Romney, he had the longest nose.
To get back to the point of most of these comments, due to lack of supporting evidence to the contrary we can agree that at least these things are true–1)GM ceased production at the Jaynesville plant on Dec. 23, 2008 which is at odds with statements Ryan made. 2) Ryan supported a stimulus package in 2002 when proposed by a Republican president and opposed one proposed by a Democratic president. (can you say hurts America for political purposes?) 3) Ryan’s budget would take $750B plus from Medicare Advantage re-inbursement rates to providers just as Obamacare does but rather than use that money for medical care would give more tax breaks to the wealthy. 4) The decrease in credit rating by Standard and Poors was caused by, in the words of S&P, disfunction in Congress and the lack of willingness of some to compromise and reach a long term solution, rejecting a $4T solution proposed by Obama and agreeing instead on a $2.4T plan, which by the way is now under attack by House Republicans for being too hard on the defense. 5) Ryan criticized Obama for not actively promoting Simpson-Bowles yet voted against its recommendations himself when still in committee.
So I ask again,”What direction does a liar lead and are you comfortable going in whatever direction that might be?”
“Literally every policy position of the Republican party can be explained in this light: Obstructing or denying equal access to healthcare, public education, equitable taxation, legal protection; obstructing or denying marriage equality, workplace safety, voting rights, a living wage; obstructing or denying a woman’s right to choose, and a fair-minded Supreme Court that would value the freedom of the individual over the power of corporations—this is how you create a permanent aristocracy, where only the rich can afford “equality.” If you’re ok with America being changed like this, then do nothing, let it happen. If you’re nauseated by it, vote. It’s that simple.”
Michael Stipe
simply voting is not enough.unless you want a split vote 3rd party candidate like ross perot in 92..which almost gave bush 41 another term.. This must be a concerted effort to vote OBAMA and all DEMS 2012
Wow. How do any of you expect an ‘independent’ to view your comments and separate your hatred of ‘the other’ party from commitment to our nation?
I want healing. I want citizens to join together and bring solutions. I want a nation that wants the best for all individuals. I think we all are well aware of the problems. There is plenty of blame to go around – to both parties.
How hard is it for you to join together – and bring meaningful remedy to one nation that is hurting – on behalf of all?
I hope greater minds prevail and manage to bring rational solutions to a pained people. ONE nation – under God.
I don’t expect an independent to do anything other than sit in the middle of the road with the yellow stripe and change with the wind. Standing for nothing, save naiveté .
Well, Dick, I guess my point went cleanly over your dome.
Please note: I made reference to ‘independent’, as in: in·de·pend·ent (adjective) not influenced or controlled by others in matters of opinion, conduct, etc.; thinking or acting for oneself: an independent thinker.
I was not making reference to any political affiliation i.e. ‘Independent’.
The predominant political parties of our country have the support of some very fine individuals. Equally, both parties have ample room for improvement if the needs of our citizens were a primary goal. That being stated, I appreciated reading about a local individual possessing the personal commitment to attend a national convention.
Clearly your venom is so consuming there is no point to attempt reasoning with one such as yourself. Yours is not to discover constructive solutions, only to fan the ongoing flames of division within the caverns of less significant forums.
What I stand for is unity. What I stand for is a nation that can lift itself above petty finger-pointing and move forward with constructive solutions.
In the final day it will not be the noises clanging from empty vessels that will bring healing to OUR nation. It will be the words of people with steadfast resolve embracing a commitment to truth, morality, and ethics. It will be people that embrace the uniqueness of the individual, the value of a single life, the need for families to cling to what is most important – family, and the immeasurable value of a nation that desires for each citizen opportunity to succeed,
No Martin, I didn’t miss your point. You sought to portray your self as being above the fray. More chaste and pure than those of us with a viewpoint you find distasteful. People who share your proclivity for tepidness and timidity only show up after the race is won. Then proclaim themselves as fellow travelers of the winner.
You thought you could bounce in here and admonish anyone with an opinion, while setting yourself up as the arbitrator of restrained moderation as the only adult in the room. Yet you sound like someone who was just asked to be a Sunday school teacher for pre-schoolers by your mother because she thought you had all the answers. (and you believed her)
Get over yourself, these are comments on a newspaper article, not the United Nations General Assembly.
Yes, Dick, you did. Trouble is I can’t throw it out any lower or slower for you to connect with. So we’re gonna have to call it: SWING . . . and a miss. STRIKE TWO!
Don’t worry, though, I’m not staying. This little Chipmunk Wheel of your spinning illusions is a bit cramped for my thought process. And I can’t really adjust to the annoying ‘clanging’ I hear every time I read one of your posts.
I must say however, very insightful that you can develop my complete personality profile from a couple very general ramblings. You are either absolute genius . . . or not. Actually, the only thing you got right is I did teach Sunday School – for many years – but not because my Mother asked me to – and not to pre-schoolers.
Have fun with yourself, Dick! TTFN – or shall say, ‘Chip, Chip!’
Martin–The commitment of some of the very poorest among us, people some call lazy or even welfare frauds, have the greatest family bonds. They are connected to each other for their very survival. They have no idea what prosper or personal advancement mean. They live to protect their own against attack from all others, even teachers trying to get a student (one of the family) to be in class on time. (“What are you picking on my kid for? If there is a problem I’LL deal with it!”)
As for denegrating the person who is the focus of this article–I don’t see anyone picking on her or attacking her participation in the politicl process. There may be a few lines in all of these comments but the main thrust of this discussion is the distoration of the truth and outward lies to by those who ran the convention.
Even an independent can’t be independent of the truth. If and that is a big IF, we could get some agreement on true facts, math and history we might be able to find common ground on real issues.
How would you suggest one find common ground with a known liar? There is a basic issue of morality here. Even if a compromise is reached how could we know if the “other side” would keep their promise?
As for me it is not the other side I hate but the lies their current candidates tell.
And much is made of both sides not making compromises. But how do you compromise with a no?
Put simply policy goes like this–one side says there is a spending problem and spending must be cut. The other side says yes, there is a spending problem but to be fair tax advantages have been given to those who are able to invest and grow our economy but they have taken their profits overseas so we should also raise taxes on them if they are not going to use their tax adavntages to better the American economy. Doesn’t that make sense? Most of America says it does but what do the Republicans say to that? NO!
Good question Larry,”How would you suggest one find common ground with a known liar?”
Larry cited a poll (made up a statistic) “According to a poll published 5/20/12 55% of likely Minnesota voters will vote against the amendment.”, then tried to distract. I repeatedly asked for the pollster, and his response was so poorly written that it was difficult to interpret if he stated it was a SurveyUSA poll, or if he was attacking SurveyUSA.
http://www.fergusfallsjournal.com/2012/05/21/marriage-amendment-may-pass-but-arguments-don%E2%80%99t-hold-up/
That post showed Larry’s deceptive personality.
If your past comments on a myriad of subjects is your standard for truth, M Van Horn, you couldn’t find common ground with yourself.
Are you able to cite a specific example, Richard?
ok dude the problem with the repub tax breaks for the rich is the story of the carrot and the stick.. bush sr and reagan gave away the carrot without fear of the stick and that caused the nat debt to rise from 900 million to over 2.6 trillion ie trickle down failed cause you repubs say reagan had a great economy. but it obviously was based on deficit spending and it caused a bubble burst.. just like bushboys busted in the same way and doubled the nat debt.. so we have 2 examples of repub failed econ.. and now you repubs have blocked all things obama to aid this recovery with filibusters.. and this is why the debt is going higher .. all you repubs offer is more tax breaks.. and those failed in 1929-1932 when repub hoover called them volunteerism and tried to fix that repub caused depression.. the stalling that we have now is an exaqct repeat of the 1936 double dip you repubs caused..so the obvious solution to growth is what clinton did. raise taxes and for the rich to pay for those tax breaks with jobs..clinton had growth and unemployment was small and the economy was great.. but you repub/libertarians will never admit your system is a complete failure.. just like you wont admit your tea party is bought and paid for by the libertarian koch brothers. just like the group ALEC controls the congress.. cause EVERY stinking new tea bag congressman is also a member of ALEC a koch brothers funded libertarian group.. and john boy of the house and eric cantor and paul ryan and scott walker are also members. thus the repub party is bought and paid for by billionaires who dont give a crap about the middle class and poor and they are overrun with religious zealots who ..expect religious laws to trump secular laws ref abortion and marriage. even though these same zealots passed a law in oklahoma to block religious based sharia law from trumping secular law.. ie they are two faced liars who expect their way to be followed at all cost..and this is what is dividing america today
Why don’t you ask me to explain the meaning of life? However, without using my allotted time here on earth to prove a fact known to most already, I’ll cite your comment of a few days ago where you said that I was a gay militant. And because of your slanderous comment everyone’s comment was deleted.
Richard, I think you might be trying to get all these comments deleted. But at risk of that, I will defend myself.
My comment was satire directed at your prison threat about Bill’s exit. “you said that I was a gay militant” is a childish accusation.
Here is an image file of the exchange:
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg622/fabricad/32fb01c7.jpg
Apparently, deception is a common trait among leftists.
Your so-called “satire” was/is directed at words that do not exist anywhere in that thread. “prison threat about Bill’s exit” doesn’t even make sense. Perhaps you were dreaming that you were addressing the Republican National Convention where speakers can ramble on incoherently and address invisible Obama, whereas you address invisible words.
Now do you still want to talk about “deception”?
Richard, the best you can come up with is me teasing you when you leveled a childish threat at another poster?
You state that “past comments on a myriad of subjects” is in question, yet you cannot identify a single post that is untrue?
I do admit it is not surprising.
I just identified your latest untrue post. How divorced from reality can you be? But keep going, you’re just digging yourself in deeper.
In the future every time you make a comment that is not true I will ding an imaginary bell after your comment. “ding, ding” That way you won’t have to ask next time.
richard there is a book called confusion to the enemy.. i suggest you read it. IT will open your eyes to the circular deception that mikey is using.. he is saying nothing but he is using 20 posts to do it so he can bury the original facts he cant refute or the lies he has been caught in..this is a debating trick.. some call it circular evasion.. mikey is a repub/libertarian zealot. he will never admit his lies nor will he stay on the original subject when he gets caught..I just hope we can educate enough independants to this repub lie strategy and get them to vote OBAMA AND ALL DEMS 2012
Chuck, M. Van Horn isn’t using any tactics I’ve not seen before.
Interesting reading in this book “Do Not Ask What Good We Do” by Robert Draper.
On the very night of Obama’s inauguration, Republican leaders met in a private dining room at an expensive Washington, D.C., steakhouse to plot their comeback.
It was a mix of congressmen and senators with three others added to diversify the gathering. Pollster Frank Luntz, right-wing journalist Fred Barnes, and former speaker (and soon-to-be former presidential candidate) Newt Gingrich. Representatives Eric Cantor (Va.), Kevin McCarthy (Calif.), Paul Ryan (Wis.), Pete Sessions (Texas), Jeb Hensarling (Texas), Pete Hoekstra (Mich.) and Dan Lungren (Calif.), along with Republican Sens. Jim DeMint (S.C.), Jon Kyl (Ariz.), Tom Coburn (Okla.), John Ensign (Nev.) and Bob Corker (Tenn.). Notably invited but unable to attend were Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio).
The reason for this gathering?
They plotted out ways to not just win back political power, but to also put the brakes on Obama’s legislative platform. “We’ve gotta challenge them on every single bill and challenge them on every single campaign.” The dinner lasted nearly four hours. They parted company almost giddily. The Republicans had agreed on a way forward:
Unify all Republican members to show united and unyielding opposition to all of the president’s economic policies.
Harass and stymie every program, bill and initiative. Create as much opposition as possible. Even to ideas that they (Republicans) once embraced. To stall any and every attempt to aid in economic recovery for the American people. The party of “NO”
was born that night and it didn’t matter if the American citizen suffered for it. They’ve done a good job (unlike the Iraq fiasco). Unfortunately, those that back the GOP are too blind or stupid (both) to see who the real enemy of America really is.
Why else would Republicans block a bill like “The Bring Jobs Home Act” a few months ago. This program would have provided a 20% tax break for the costs of moving jobs back to the United States and would eliminate deductions available to companies that move operations overseas. Obviously, this would benefit American jobs…. but the party of “NO” killed it. WHY? well, now YOU know.
Maybe when someone asks “whats Obama done in the last four years?”… the real question should be… “what has he been unable to do because of the childish obstructionism from Republicans?”
HEY RYAN WHY ARE U BLOCKING MY POSTS. i POSTED A direct comentary of what you repub party plan was and yet its not shown.. are you censoring your comment section now RYAN HOWARD
again you blocked it ryan howard.. I only posted half of it in case there was a character limit and yet it does not show.. what kind of censorship are you pulling ryan howard
are you Christians aware that Mitt Romney and all Mormons believe if He is worthy He will become a god on some uninhabited planet, that The earth, “conceives” and produces other earths, the same as a mulberry tree, God is a 6 foot tall Alien that lives on planet “Kolob” and Jesus was not from immaculate conception?
just thought I’d point this out for those who dislike their fellow Christian Candidate Obama, and are under the false assumption that Mormon beliefs are the same as the average Christian.
Hey Don, don’t forget about the magic underwear!
Yep. I was right, the zookeepers have left the cages unleashed and the nasty beasties are rampaging through the streets, mauling and devouring everyone in sight.
The pundits and pollsters tell us that both parties are trying to catch the votes of independents to tip the balance in their direction. Martin comes on and suggests compromise and working together for the country, and by the way , Martin is an independent. What happens?
All the rad libtards savage and insult Martin for exercising his (God given)right to make up his own mind and accuse him of cowardice (yellow stripes in the middle of the road), standing for nothing, save naivete. In other words, if someone doesn’t genuflect on bended knee to your radicalism, your hatred and envy and anger, he is an infidel to be dealt with in harsh ways.
BTW Richard/Acker/Chip, chip, chippiemunk – new avatar? First a chipmunk, then a sock puppet parrot (gooney bird?) and next a duck to now a green cat. You change avatars as though it is the time for the collection of fall style clothing to make it on the racks. But, a new “kitty” cannot conceal the same old “progressive” radicalism. Say hi to Bert.
Good luck recruiting new believers with your “Believe or begone” tactics. Methinks the anger is a certain sign that you know that the dance is over, and a new crew will be bringing in a new band and playing a new tune in November. And, it won’t be your fave hymn, “The Marxist Internationale”.
Chuckie, lighten up on Ryan Howard. He isn’t usually here after midnight when you begin howling at the moon, and arrogantly demand he get up and come into the office to satisfy your adolescent demands. We all have had posts delayed for review. If you include links, it will usually be delayed. If there are certain obscenities or hate words, it will be delayed for review. Most of us have had warnings and the offensive post removed. Ask Richard/Acker/Chippiemunk about being warned and then removed, banned. Also ask him about returning under another alias. Too many words or characters? No problem. We have a visitor to this blog who posts under the pseudonym of a prissy and arrogant character in some Socratic episodes who can fill the screen several times over with his circular, arrogant, omniscient, radical “progressive” drivel, and often does. Just don’t make overt threats or imply retaliation against anyone for disagreeing with your ideology and you will probably skate through. Or wait and hope that your Supreme Leader for Life steals a reelection and he will let you say anything you want against his opponents. And, Chuckie, I have some lifelong friends who call me Billy, so if you want to be my lifelong friend, feel free to call me Billy also. I take that name as a friendly gesture, and assume you use it as a sign that you are filled with the milk of human kindness toward me.
Hi everyone. I was on vacation, and Chuck’s post didn’t make it through the spam filter. Should be fixed now, but we are closing the comments on this article now because it has reached 70 comments.