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Promotion of assault weapons not necessary [UPDATED]

Published 9:49am Thursday, January 17, 2013 Updated 11:52am Thursday, January 17, 2013

After returning home from church where I heard a thoughtful sermon on gun violence, I looked at this week’s circulars. I was saddened to see large magazine weapons ranging from $559 to $1349 prominently advertised at a local store.

I was taught how to properly care for and safely use a gun by my Grandfather and to this day own a .22 rifle very similar to his. I rarely shoot it but it reminds me of family hunting ventures and precious memories of those now gone.

Given my love of guns, you might wonder why I am objecting to the promotion of guns in the ad mentioned. The difference is that several of the guns would be strange weapons to take hunting or target shooting. However, they are expensively and well designed to quickly kill people.

I believe that as a nation we need to have a discussion as to how to deal with gun violence while at the same time fully protecting the interests of those who enjoy having guns for hunting, target shooting, or only because of happy memories.

However, especially in the wake of the Connecticut and other mass killings, we do not need the selling of assault weapons being promoted.

I enjoy shopping at the store and appreciate the great asset it is to our community. But, I hope they will take a wise approach as to what types of weapons they choose to advertise and carry.

 

Ron Graham

Fergus Falls

  • camobabe

    Nice try, Ron. I am uncertain whether you are sincerely hoping to find a way to way to deal with the violence accompanying the leftist planned and promoted moral deterioration of our culture. Or ,whether you are merely reporting a story detailed on several leftist blogs for fellow ant-gun rights activists to personalize and send to media to create a false climate of people wanting to
    take away the rights in our Constitution to keep and bear arms. I will address your letter as the former, written by a person who has not a full understanding of the reasons our founding fathers included the 2nd amendment immediately following the first amendment (freedom of speech, religion, press, right to petition government about wrong actions by the government), namely, to protect the people from a government which would violate those other rights by having the right to arms to defend themselves against the tyranny of a dictatorial government.

    Nice to hear you like hunting, as do I. But our hunting rights are not protected by the second amendment, OUR RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS TO PROTECT OURSELVES FROM A GOVERNMENT GONE BAD is protected by the Constitution. And,
    if we are ever in need of throwing off a dictator, we need more than a single shot .22 to match up against his forces with police and military scale armament.

    What troubles me most is your obvious effort to foment anger and hostility toward stores which are conducting the lawful sale of firearms and ammunition. What’s next, railing against auto dealers because some people occasionally get drunk or high on drugs and kill others in crashes? Will you call to outlaw motor vehicles, or the sale of gasoline, batteries, tires?

    I submit that you have either been suckered by the radical leftists who want to deprive us of the means to defend our liberties, or you are, in fact, one of those promoting the canard that guns are evil and outlawing guns will solve our cultural problems of moral decay.

    • Richard Olson

      Some citizen uses the letter to the editor section to express his views regarding the sale and advertising of assault weapons capable of being fired on full automatic in an atmosphere where some people use such weapons to kill children and adults.

      For his efforts Ginny jumps on him for using his “free speech” and insinuating that he must either be part of a liberal cabal to undermine the moral fabric of our culture or he must be a left wing stooge.

      Ginny want’s her rights in the second amendment protected but heaps verbal personal abuse on Ron Graham for using his first amendment rights of free speech.

      Ginny’s hysterical rant is typical of the paranoid survivalist wing of the right wing foil hat crowd. The run away government they claim to fear so much only appeared four years ago and of course it’s just a coincidence that it appeared the very same time Barrack Obama became President.

      So anyway, Ginny needs her AR-15 to fight the government black helicopters, drones, tanks, chemical and biological weapons. I’d buy a ticket to see that. Talk about being out of touch. Need another example?
      Ron Graham wrote “I enjoy shopping at the store and appreciate the great asset it is to our community.” which Ginny interprets as an “ obvious effort to foment anger and hostility toward stores which are conducting the lawful sale of firearms and ammunition.” Now who is the reasonable person here and who is the frenzied screaming fanatic.

      • camobabe

        Curly, the answer of course, is YOU. Rant on.

        • Richard Olson

          As usual Ginny, basic understanding of the world about you eludes you. The reasonable test was not about me and you, but between you and the letters author Ron Graham. You failed.
          I’m also beginning to wonder why someone with your vast military experience didn’t catch the supposed error in my first sentence, without the necessity of me pointing it out to you. But when you can’t tell the difference between a positive position on the store in question and a negative one, it shouldn’t surprise me.

  • Swede

    Ron Graham’s letter advocates using public pressure to limit the store’s freedom of speech. He didn’t state that he went to the store and request it to stop advertising certain guns. Mr. Graham is writing to readers of the Journal.

    Richard, it is obvious you are unable to debate Camilla, thus you resort to slander. David Horowitz explains your tactic below:

    Glazov:Why does the Left always attack the opponent as a human being, rather than simply just debate the opponent with dehumanizing and demonizing him?

    David Horowitz: Because the Left is based on a fantasy of redemption — which requires that its opponents are damned. It is also a reactionary force that has learned nothing from its crimes, and therefore cannot handle a debate on the issues or over the facts. Therefore it really has only one weapon, which is slander, defamation, which it will resort to at the least provocation. ….

    • Richard Olson

      Mike, you wouldn’t know slander if it jumped up and slapped you. Secondly it’s obvious you did not read the authors letter nor did you read my comment refuting Ginny’s faulty interpretation of the authors letter.

      Coming here and telling everyone that Black is White, that Up is Down only works at tea bagger meeting, save your fantasy for the gullible and ill-read.

      • Swede

        Richard’s response to Ginny:
        “views regarding the sale and advertising of assault weapons capable of being fired on full automatic” -false statement. The weapons advertised are semi-auto.

        “hysterical rant is typical of the paranoid survivalist wing of the right wing foil hat crowd” – slander

        “needs her AR-15 to fight the government black helicopters, drones, tanks, chemical and biological weapons” – more slander

        “the frenzied screaming fanatic” – even more slander

        “only works at tea bagger meeting” – finally, slandering someone who points out your tactic.

        Save your antics for the timid, Richard.

        • Richard Olson

          Like I said before Mike, you wouldn’t know slander if it jumped up and slapped you. Thanks for proving me correct.

          Then you quote my statement regarding “weapons capable of being fired on full automatic” and say it’s a false statement. No Mike it is not a false statement. Notice I said “capable” and I mean capable without modification right out of the box. Now if either you or Ginny knew anything about assault style weapons you would know about “Bump Firing”.

          Since you’ve proved you don’t, go to You-Tube and type in the words “Bump Fire” (I would provide a link but the link would get caught in the Journals filter) Once there you can watch several people bump fire so-called semi-automatic assault style weapons on full automatic right out of the box without any internal modification. (something the gun freaks don’t want the public to know, and you didn’t)

          Let go back to your silly accusations of “Slander”. Slander is a “spoken” (remember that word it’s crucial) defamation that harms another’s reputation and the statement must be false.
          So the word you should have used is “Libel”, even so it’s still not applicable since all my statements are true. Additionally, the reputation both you and Ginny enjoy can hardly be harmed after years of crackpot, off the wall, silly, asinine, childish and ridiculous comments published in the newspaper of record for Ottertail County.

          Never the less, if you maintain your position it is your right to sue the bejabbers out of me. I would enjoy getting you on cross examination to have you explain some of the many loopy comments you’ve made. Let’s see if your stellar reputation shines as much as you think. Even if I lost, an award of a nickel would be excessive.

          • Swede

            Okay, I misused the term “slander”. Maybe you prefer to be called spiteful, or demonizing?

            Richard, are you afraid that the millions of semi-automatic gun owners will be running around Fergus bump-firing weapons haphazardly?

          • Richard Olson

            No Mike, one is sufficient.

          • Swede

            Richard, since nearly all semiautomatic guns can be “bump fired”, do you then want all semiautomatics banned?

          • Richard Olson

            No,I’ve never said that. Do you think anyone should be able to buy a firearm anonymously at a gun show? Do you think all restrictions on magazine capacity are Illegal? Do you favor background checks for all firearm purchases?

          • Swede

            You cannot buy a gun at a show without a background check, that is federal law. Exhibitors selling guns at a show must have a Federal Firearms License, which is also federal law.

  • Dan

    Great article Ron. Richard that is a great reply to Ginny. Sometime I feel sorry for her.

    • Richard Olson

      So do I, but all that often.

      • Richard Olson

        One of my words got lost. The above comment should read “So do I, but not all that often”.

        • camobabe

          That’s OK, Richard Curly Acker Chipmunk.

          Lost souls and lost rationality often dicover they have lost a word or two. Sometimes, even lost paragraphs, chapters, volumes.

          We expect it from you.

          • Richard Olson

            Well Ginny I guess losing a word is better than losing one’s mind or an election. Elsewhere you were bouncing from wall to wall screaming that I refuse to answer any of Mike Van Horn’s questions. Cast your eyes above and see who answers questions and who doesn’t . Once again you are proven wrong.
            Here is a question for you Ginny…How does “lost rationality” become a “they”? Duh?

  • Richard Olson

    Mike, you can go on you-tube and/or 60 minutes and/or ABC video and see example after example of undercover video of gun buyers buying guns at gun shows from private sellers at gun shows without background checks and without showing any form of ID.

    Also you still didn’t answer any of my questions. Don’t disappoint Ginny.

  • Richard Olson

    Mike Van Horn, Ginny was ranting earlier today about how I refused to answer your questions. As usual she was wrong because as anyone can see above, I’ve answered your questions, you however have not answered these questions from me.

    Do you think anyone should be able to buy a firearm anonymously at a gun show?

    Do you think all restrictions on magazine capacity are Illegal?

    Do you favor background checks for all firearm purchases?

    Why haven’t you answered my questions? Is it because your truthful answers would show your positions to be unreasonable?

    • Richard Olson

      Mike Van Horn, your refusal to answer my questions tells me that even you know that your answers would mark you as unreasonable in the eyes of those you know. At least you know you are unreasonable and want to hide your irrational positions from the general public. Thanks for helping me prove that Ginny/Camilla was wrong. (again)

  • crucified

    Promotion of lies not necessary!

    After returning home from church where I heard a thoughtful sermon on lying, I looked at this week’s tabloids. I was saddened to see fabricated stories and lies concerning nationally known celebrities prominently on display at a local store.

    I was taught how to properly use words and to convey truth by my Father and to this day write letters very similar to His. I often write because it reminds people of Godly values and the precious memories of our constitution now on its way out.

    Given my love of words, you might wonder why I am objecting to the promotion of lying words in the tabloids mentioned. The difference is that lying words would be poor choices to take to church or to a bible study. However, they are destructive and well designed to quickly slander people.

    I believe that as a nation we need to have a discussion as to how to deal with lying while at the same time fully protecting the interests of those who enjoy speaking for preaching, teaching, or have a desire to proselytize.

    However, especially in the wake of the Lance Armstrong, Manti Te’o and other lies, we do not need the speaking of certain words being promoted.

    I enjoy shopping at the store and appreciate the great asset it is to our community. But, I hope they will take a wise approach as to what types of magazines they choose to display and carry.

    What absurdity! We teach and train our children to use only truthful words. We punish people for libel and slander. People who lie and cheat, if caught, are punished by law, although usually not severely enough. We do not attempt to restrict speech or limit the first amendment just because their are criminals who abuse their rights. We should not attempt to restrict the right to bear arms or limit the second amendment just because their are criminals who abuse their rights.

    The nice thing about free speech is that it belongs to everyone. Ron has the right to write a letter based on ignorance, believing that the 2nd amendment was established in order to protect our hunting rights. Camilla also has the right to point out the error of Mr. Graham’s irrational thinking. Oh Yea, liberals only believe in free speech when used by liberals, otherwise they promote things like “The Fairness Doctrine” and “Hate Speech Legislation”

    • Richard Olson

      You know what would be nice Merle? If you actually practiced what you preach. As a matter of fact it would be more than “nice”, it would be amazing.

      Another thing that would be amazing is if Mike Van Horn had the courage to answer my questions.

  • crucified

    Richard, is your vagueness intentional?

    • Richard Olson

      Does it matter? You’re not going to change anyway.

  • crucified

    I already have! In 1992 I voted for a slick talking lawyer from the south. A womanizer. A man who committed perjury and obstructed justice. A lawyer who was disbarred from practicing law. The only elected president ever to be impeached. I’ve changed! I no longer vote for politicians who attempt to divide the country by race, gender, sexual preference, and economic status. I was like a new born kitten who eyes were closed, and one day they were opened. Richard, I still hold out hope for you, that God can change you as well. I don’t know what kind of traumatic experience you had as a young child, but it wasn’t God fault. It was an evil person, influenced by the power of darkness, that was responsible for harming you.

    • Richard Olson

      This is what I mean by change Merle, and you haven’t changed. You always try to force your religious views on others. When anyone (like me) resists your spiritual meddling, you arrogantly assume they must have had some traumatic experience or been harmed by the powers of darkness. I suspect that reasoning makes it easier for you to rationalize your ineffective intervention. In other words, you weren’t successful because evil powers greater than you stole the soul you wanted to convert. How else to rationalize the unimaginable rejection and refusal to march in lockstep with your faith? Simply put if someone doesn’t buy your faith, there must be something wrong with them.

  • crucified

    This is what I mean by change Richard; the apostle Paul, who transcribed 2/3′s of the New Testament, was an enemy of Jesus Christ and wanted all of His followers thrown in prison or killed, but God changed his heart. God can change yours as well. Thank you for your encouragement, stating that I always try to share God’s salvation with others. When someone (like you) rejects God’s reaching out to you, I’m keenly aware that you have experienced a traumatic event or were harmed by someone close to you, someone acting under the powers of darkness. I suspect that reasoning makes it easier for you to rationalize your pain and remain angry at both God and the person who injured you. In other words, you reject God because He requires you to acknowledge your own sins and forgive the person/persons who injured you. How else to explain your irrational and unimaginable rejection and refusal to accept God’s free gift of salvation? Simply put you cannot buy my faith, you must have your own. I’m not sharing my faith, but am desirous to add to my own. There’s not only something wrong with you, but all of humanity is in a fallen and lost state, but very few people realize it. If you would just realize it you would be way ahead of the game.

    • Richard Olson

      Tell me this Merle, how can I be angry at/with god, when I don’t believe he/she/it exists. And the next time you talk to your imaginary friend ask him/her/it for some help composing original comments without paraphrasing my comments. It just shows a little more uniqueness, unless of course you prefer to follow the literary styling’s of such a sinful character as I.

      As for your faith, I don’t want to buy your faith, as a matter of fact you couldn’t pay me to take it. I don’t need the baggage of imaginary friends, talking snakes, superstition and magic. Nor do I need the threat of eternal damnation to be a kind moral person. I can do good without being threatened or coerced by silly people who are miserable and want company.

      Lastly, I know how you hate to be corrected on the bible, but Paul was not an enemy of Jesus Christ, Saul was, but not Paul. Remember, Saul was born again after an incident on the road to Damascus and changed his name to Paul some days later. Otherwise why be born again unless you become a different person. No need to thank me, I don’t need thanks to make you a better person or at least a more historically correct person.

      One more thing, the next time you talk to you know who ask him why Mike Van Horn is afraid to answer my questions. One would think that someone who claims the protection of the second amendment would have no problem defending his positions. (unless of course his positions are not grounded in the second amendment, that may well explain his reluctance.)

    • Richard Olson

      I had a comment Merle and posted it at 5:56 pm, but it is caught in the journals minute filter system.

      • camobabe

        Welcome to the swelling crowd of frustrated participants on this blog. For every comment of mine I have seen posted in the past several weeks, at least two others have died in the filter box.

        Come back Ryan Howard and clean out the filter.

    • Walt Henry

      Merle, you have no doubt heard of the triune God-the Father, The Son and the Holy Ghost. Remember the purpose of the Holy Ghost before you make suggestions someone has hardened their heart.

  • crucified

    Larry, Of course I know the purpose of the Holy Ghost.

    “And when he comes, he will convict the world of its sin, and of God’s righteousness, and of the coming judgment. The world’s sin is that it refuses to believe in me. Righteousness is available because I go to the Father, and you will see me no more. Judgment will come because the ruler of this world has already been judged. John 16:8-11″

    Larry, now that I’ve shown you the purpose of the third person of the trinity, I will continue. I wasn’t making a suggestion concerning Richard, I was sharing an observation. You have no doubt heard of discernment?

    The man of God and the Spirit of God work together to accomplish the work of salvation. The man of God proclaims the word of God, if a persons heart is tender the Holy Ghost convicts the person of their sin and they are made sorry and it leads them to repent. If the persons heart is not right they feel guilt and shame, but it leads to a worldly sorrow, which leads to spiritual death.

    “I am not sorry that I sent that severe letter to you, though I was sorry at first, for I know it was painful to you for a little while. Now I am glad I sent it, not because it hurt you, but because the pain caused you to repent and change your ways. It was the kind of sorrow God wants his people to have, so you were not harmed by us in any way. For the kind of sorrow God wants us to experience leads us away from sin and results in salvation. There’s no regret for that kind of sorrow. But worldly sorrow, which lacks repentance, results in spiritual death. 2 Corinthians 7:8-10″

    “So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; Romans 1:15-16b”

    ” For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? Romans 10:13-14″

    ” The message of the cross is foolish to those who are headed for destruction! But we who are being saved know it is the very power of God. As the Scriptures say, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise and discard the intelligence of the intelligent.” So where does this leave the philosophers, the scholars, and the world’s brilliant debaters? God has made the wisdom of this world look foolish. Since God in his wisdom saw to it that the world would never know him through human wisdom, he has used our foolish preaching to save those who believe. . 1 Corinthians 1:18-21″

    “And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Mark 16:15-16″

  • crucified

    Larry, Of course I know the purpose of the Holy Ghost.

    “And when he comes, he will convict the world of its sin, and of God’s righteousness, and of the coming judgment. The world’s sin is that it refuses to believe in me. Righteousness is available because I go to the Father, and you will see me no more. Judgment will come because the ruler of this world has already been judged. John 16:8-11″

    Larry, now that I’ve shown you the purpose of the third person of the trinity, I’ll continue. I wasn’t making a suggestion concerning Richard, but was sharing an observation. You have no doubt heard of discernment?

    The man of God and the Spirit of God work together to accomplish the work of salvation. The man of God proclaims the word of God, anf if the persons heart is tender the Holy Ghost convicts the person of their sin and they are made sorry and it leads them to repent. If the persons heart is not right they feel guilt and shame, but it leads to worldly sorrow, which leads to spiritual death.

    “I am not sorry that I sent that severe letter to you, though I was sorry at first, for I know it was painful to you for a little while. Now I am glad I sent it, not because it hurt you, but because the pain caused you to repent and change your ways. It was the kind of sorrow God wants his people to have, so you were not harmed by us in any way. For the kind of sorrow God wants us to experience leads us away from sin and results in salvation. There’s no regret for that kind of sorrow. But worldly sorrow, which lacks repentance, results in spiritual death. 2 Corinthians 7:8-10″

  • crucified

    “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; Romans 1:16b”

    ” For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? Romans 10:13-14″

    ” The message of the cross is foolish to those who are headed for destruction! But we who are being saved know it is the very power of God. As the Scriptures say, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise and discard the intelligence of the intelligent.” So where does this leave the philosophers, the scholars, and the world’s brilliant debaters? God has made the wisdom of this world look foolish. Since God in his wisdom saw to it that the world would never know him through human wisdom, he has used our foolish preaching to save those who believe. . 1 Corinthians 1:18-21″

    “And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Mark 16:15-16″

  • crucified

    ” For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? Romans 10:13-14″

    ” The message of the cross is foolish to those who are headed for destruction! But we who are being saved know it is the very power of God. As the Scriptures say, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise and discard the intelligence of the intelligent.” So where does this leave the philosophers, the scholars, and the world’s brilliant debaters? God has made the wisdom of this world look foolish. Since God in his wisdom saw to it that the world would never know him through human wisdom, he has used our foolish preaching to save those who believe. . 1 Corinthians 1:18-21″

    “And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Mark 16:15-16″

  • crucified

    The Holy Ghost does not work alone, God chose preaching to convict and save.

    For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; Romans 1:16b”

    ” For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? Romans 10:13-14″

    ” The message of the cross is foolish to those who are headed for destruction! But we who are being saved know it is the very power of God. As the Scriptures say, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise and discard the intelligence of the intelligent.” So where does this leave the philosophers, the scholars, and the world’s brilliant debaters? God has made the wisdom of this world look foolish. Since God in his wisdom saw to it that the world would never know him through human wisdom, he has used our foolish preaching to save those who believe. . 1 Corinthians 1:18-21″

    • crucified

      “He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. Mark 16:15-16″

    • Walt Henry

      Merle, there’s a problem here. Was Jesus mistaken? Was the Day of Pentecost just a thing of legend? Is the Bible inaccurate? Might it be Richard is an alien from another planet and our God is not for him. Could it be that human eyes are clouded by our humanness and can’t see clearly enough to judge the soul of motives of another person? What the heck am I writing? “When he comes he will” Notice the word he and the word will. If he, the Holy Ghost, has come then he has done what Jesus has said the Holy Ghost would do–or not. In any event it is beyond the power of people to judge the hearts and souls of each other; or at least that’s the theme I’ve read over and over again. Maybe you’ve read something different.

  • crucified

    “The Holy Ghost has come, and He is doing what Jesus said He would do, which is working in conjunction with those preaching the word of God to convict the sinner of his sin (you failed to notice all the scriptures I previously gave you evidencing the need of preaching to save the sinner). The Holy Ghost is not some mystic cloud floating around the atmosphere. The Holy Ghost does not live in every person. The Holy Ghost indwells only believers.

    In any event it is within the power of Christians to discern the actions and words of others; at least that’s the truth revealed in scripture. I’ve received revelation from the Holy Ghost that is entirely different than what you’ve been taught by religion..

    Larry, let me explain it to you.

    You make the mistake that most religious people make, which is to misapply the words of Jesus “Judge not lest you be judged”. The words judge can mean a couple of different things. Judge can mean to condemn; which is to pronounce judgment on, to sentence, or to damn someone to hell. The word judge can also mean to discern; which is to distinguish, to determine, to perceive, to differentiate, or to recognize, to ascertain. Jesus does not want us (to Judge) as in to condemn others or sentence someone to hell. Jesus does want us (to judge) as in to have discernment or differentiate between saved and unsaved.

    Jesus commanded us to not be unequally yoked together with an unbeliever. Jesus would not command that we do something that would be impossible for us to do, therefore as a Christian I have the ability to distinguish whether a potential spouse is or is not a Christian. (2 Corinthians 6:14-17). Jesus also instructed the church to expel anyone who claimed to be a Christian but was living an immoral lifestyle. He commanded us to judge those within the church. Paul, a mere man indwelt with and impowered by the Holy Ghost, judged a wicked man and gave him over to Satan for the destrucrtion of the flesh. Paul, by inspiration of the Holy Ghost, commanded that we also do this if we have a similar situation. (1 Corinthians 5)

    “Yes, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit, so you can identify people by their actions. Matthew 7:20″

    Larry, if a Christian were to obey the command of God (written by Paul), you would accuse that person of judging. According to religion there is to be no rebuking, no reproving, no correcting, or no warning others. Religion teaches the new tolerance; which is to embrace and except others as they are, without ever saying that their behavior is wrong or evil.

    I charge [you] in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, Who is to judge the living and the dead, and by (in the light of) His coming and His kingdom: Herald and preach the Word! Keep your sense of urgency [stand by, be at hand and ready], whether the opportunity seems to be favorable or unfavorable. [Whether it is convenient or inconvenient, whether it is welcome or unwelcome, you as preacher of the Word are to show people in what way their lives are wrong.] And convince them, rebuking and correcting, warning and urging and encouraging them, being unflagging and inexhaustible in patience and teaching. For the time is coming when [people] will not tolerate (endure) sound and wholesome instruction, but, having ears itching [for something pleasing and gratifying], they will gather to themselves one teacher after another to a considerable number, chosen to satisfy their own liking and to foster the errors they hold, And will turn aside from hearing the truth and wander off into myths and man-made fictions. 2 Timothy 4:1-4

    Larry, what you have is religion. Religion is having a form of godliness, but no power to change ones life (2 Timothy 3:5). Religion is having a zeal for God, but not based on knowledge. Religion establishes their own set of rules. (Romans 10:2-3) Religion is based on traditions and doctrines of men, rather than on God’s word. (Mark 7:6-9,13) Religion is man attempting to serve God in his own flesh or ability, rather than being led by the Spirit of God. (Romans 8:11) Religion is being sprinkled with water, but having never been born again or regenerated by the Holy Ghost. (John 3:3,7 and Titus 3:5)

    Larry, now the good news! You can trade in your religion for a living and personal relationship with the Creator of the universe. If you repent of sin and except Jesus as “LORD”, He will become your savior and He will send the Holy Ghost to take up residence in your spirit. He will not do this for everyone, but only for those who surrender their lives to Him. Those willing to turn from iniquity and obey God.

    “Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.” 2 Timothy 2:19″

    “We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him. Acts 5:32″

    John 14: 15 “If you love Me, you will do what I say. 16 Then I will ask My Father and He will give you another Helper. He will be with you forever. 17 He is the Spirit of Truth. The world cannot receive Him. It does not see Him or know Him. You know Him because He lives with you and will be in you.23 Jesus said, “The one who loves Me will obey My teaching. My Father will love him. We will come to him and live with him.

  • crucified

    It is within the power of Christians to discern the actions and words of others; at least that’s the truth revealed in scripture. I’ve received revelation from the Holy Ghost that is entirely different than what you were taught by religion..

    Larry, let me explain it to you.

    You make the mistake that most religious people make, which is to misapply the words of Jesus “Judge not lest you be judged”. The words judge can mean a couple of different things. Judge can mean to condemn; which is to pronounce judgment on, to sentence, or to damn someone to hell. The word judge can also mean to discern; which is to distinguish, to determine, to perceive, to differentiate, to recognize, or to ascertain. Jesus does not want us (to Judge) as in to condemn others or sentence someone to hell. Jesus does want us (to judge) as in to have discernment or to distinguish between saved and unsaved.

    Jesus commanded us to not be unequally yoked together with an unbeliever. Jesus would not command that we do something that is impossible for us to do, therefore as a Christian I have the ability to differentiate whether a potential spouse is or is not a Christian. (2 Corinthians 6:14-17). Jesus also instructed the church to expel anyone who claimed to be a Christian but was living an immoral lifestyle. He commanded us to judge those within the church. Paul, a mere man indwelt with and impowered by the Holy Ghost, judged a wicked man and gave him over to Satan for the destrucrtion of the flesh. Paul, by inspiration of the Holy Ghost, commanded that we also do this if we have a similar situation. (1 Corinthians 5)

    “Yes, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit, so you can identify people by their actions. Matthew 7:20″

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    “The Holy Ghost has come, and He is doing what Jesus said He would do, which is working in conjunction with those preaching the word of God to convict the sinner of his sin (you failed to notice all the scriptures I previously gave you evidencing the need of preaching to save the sinner). The Holy Ghost is not some mystic cloud floating around the atmosphere. The Holy Ghost does not live in every person. The Holy Ghost indwells only believers.

    It is within the power of Christians to discern the actions and words of others; at least that’s the truth revealed in scripture. I’ve received revelation from the Holy Ghost that is entirely different than what you were taught by religion..

    Larry, let me explain it to you.

    You make the mistake that most religious people make, which is to misapply the words of Jesus “Judge not lest you be judged”. The words judge can mean a couple of different things. Judge can mean to condemn; which is to pronounce judgment on, to sentence, or to damn someone to hell. The word judge can also mean to discern; which is to distinguish, to determine, to perceive, to differentiate, to recognize, or to ascertain. Jesus does not want us (to Judge) as in to condemn others or sentence someone to hell. Jesus does want us (to judge) as in to have discernment or to distinguish between saved and unsaved.

    Jesus commanded us to not be unequally yoked together with an unbeliever. Jesus would not command that we do something that is impossible for us to do, therefore as a Christian I have the ability to differentiate whether a potential spouse is or is not a Christian. (2 Corinthians 6:14-17). Jesus also instructed the church to expel anyone who claimed to be a Christian but was living an immoral lifestyle. He commanded us to judge those within the church. Paul, a mere man indwelt with and impowered by the Holy Ghost, judged a wicked man and gave him over to Satan for the destrucrtion of the flesh. Paul, by inspiration of the Holy Ghost, commanded that we also do this if we have a similar situation. (1 Corinthians 5)

    “Yes, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit, so you can identify people by their actions. Matthew 7:20″

  • crucified

    The Holy Ghost does not live in every person. The Holy Ghost indwells only believers.

    It is within the power of Christians to discern the actions and words of others; at least that’s the truth revealed in scripture. I’ve received revelation from the Holy Ghost that is entirely different than what you were taught by religion..

    Larry, let me explain it to you.

    You make the mistake that most religious people make, which is to misapply the words of Jesus “Judge not lest you be judged”. The words judge can mean a couple of different things. Judge can mean to condemn; which is to pronounce judgment on, to sentence, or to damn someone to hell. The word judge can also mean to discern; which is to distinguish, to determine, to perceive, to differentiate, to recognize, or to ascertain. Jesus does not want us (to Judge) as in to condemn others or sentence someone to hell. Jesus does want us (to judge) as in to have discernment or to distinguish between saved and unsaved.

    Jesus commanded us to not be unequally yoked together with an unbeliever. Jesus would not command that we do something that is impossible for us to do, therefore as a Christian I have the ability to differentiate whether a potential spouse is or is not a Christian. (2 Corinthians 6:14-17). Jesus also instructed the church to expel anyone who claimed to be a Christian but was living an immoral lifestyle. He commanded us to judge those within the church. Paul, a mere man indwelt with and impowered by the Holy Ghost, judged a wicked man and gave him over to Satan for the destrucrtion of the flesh. Paul, by inspiration of the

  • crucified

    “The Holy Ghost has come, and He is doing what Jesus said He would do, which is working in conjunction with those preaching the word of God to convict the sinner of his sin (you failed to notice all the scriptures I previously gave you evidencing the need of preaching to save the sinner). The Holy Ghost is not some mystic cloud floating around the atmosphere. The Holy Ghost does not live in every person. The Holy Ghost indwells only believers.

    It is within the power of Christians to discern the actions and words of others; at least that’s the truth revealed in scripture. I’ve received revelation from the Holy Ghost that is entirely different than what you were taught by religion..

    Larry, let me explain it to you.

    You make the mistake that most religious people make, which is to misapply the words of Jesus “Judge not lest you be judged”. The words judge can mean a couple of different things. Judge can mean to condemn; which is to pronounce judgment on, to sentence, or to damn someone to hell. The word judge can also mean to discern; which is to distinguish, to determine, to perceive, to differentiate, to recognize, or to ascertain. Jesus does not want us (to Judge) as in to condemn others or sentence someone to hell. Jesus does want us (to judge) as in to have discernment or to distinguish between saved and unsaved.

  • crucified

    “The Holy Ghost has come, and He is doing what Jesus said He would do, which is working in conjunction with those preaching the word of God to convict the sinner of his sin (you failed to notice all the scriptures I previously gave you evidencing the need of preaching to save the sinner). The Holy Ghost is not some mystic cloud floating around the atmosphere. The Holy Ghost does not live in every person. The Holy Ghost indwells only believers.

    It is within the power of Christians to discern the actions and words of others; at least that’s the truth revealed in scripture. It’s obvious that I’ve received revelation from the Holy Ghost that is entirely different than what you were taught by religion..

    Larry, let me explain it to you.

    You make the mistake that most religious people make, which is to misapply the words of Jesus “Judge not lest you be judged”. The words judge can mean a couple of different things. Judge can mean to condemn; which is to pronounce judgment on, to sentence, or to d@mn someone to hcll. The word judge can also mean to discern; which is to distinguish, to determine, to perceive, to differentiate, to recognize, or to ascertain. Jesus does not want us (to Judge) as in to condemn others or sentence someone to hcll. Jesus does want us (to judge) as in to have discernment or to distinguish between saved and unsaved.

    Jesus commanded us to not be unequally yoked together with an unbeliever. Jesus would not command that we do something that is impossible for us to do, therefore as a Christian I have the ability to differentiate whether a potential spouse is or is not a Christian. (2 Corinthians 6:14-17). Jesus also instructed the church to expel anyone who claimed to be a Christian but was living an immoral lifestyle. He commanded us to judge those within the church. Paul, a mere man indwelt with and impowered by the Holy Ghost, judged a wicked man and gave him over to Satan for the destrucrtion of the flesh. Paul, by inspiration of the Holy Ghost, commanded that we also do this if we have a similar situation. (1 Corinthians 5)

    “Yes, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit, so you can identify people by their actions. Matthew 7:20″

    Larry, if a Christian were to obey the command of God (written by Paul), you would accuse that person of judging. According to religion there is to be no rebuking, no reproving, no correcting, or no warning others. Religion teaches the new tolerance; which is to embrace and except others as they are, without ever saying that their behavior is wrong or evil.

    I charge [you] in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, Who is to judge the living and the dead, and by (in the light of) His coming and His kingdom: Herald and preach the Word! Keep your sense of urgency [stand by, be at hand and ready], whether the opportunity seems to be favorable or unfavorable. [Whether it is convenient or inconvenient, whether it is welcome or unwelcome, you as preacher of the Word are to show people in what way their lives are wrong.] And convince them, rebuking and correcting, warning and urging and encouraging them, being unflagging and inexhaustible in patience and teaching. For the time is coming when [people] will not tolerate (endure) sound and wholesome instruction, but, having ears itching [for something pleasing and gratifying], they will gather to themselves one teacher after another to a considerable number, chosen to satisfy their own liking and to foster the errors they hold, And will turn aside from hearing the truth and wander off into myths and man-made fictions. 2 Timothy 4:1-4

    Larry, what you have is religion. Religion is having a form of godliness, but no power to change ones life (2 Timothy 3:5). Religion is having a zeal for God, but not based on knowledge. Religion establishes their own set of rules. (Romans 10:2-3) Religion is based on traditions and doctrines of men, rather than on God’s word. (Mark 7:6-9,13) Religion is man attempting to serve God in his own flesh or ability, rather than being led by the Spirit of God. (Romans 8:11) Religion is being sprinkled with water, but having never been born again or regenerated by the Holy Ghost. (John 3:3,7 and Titus 3:5)

    Larry, now the good news! You can trade in your religion for a living and personal relationship with the Creator of the universe. If you repent of sin and except Jesus as “LORD”, He will become your savior and He will send the Holy Ghost to take up residence in your spirit. He will not do this for everyone, but only for those who surrender their lives to Him. Those willing to turn from iniquity and obey God.

    “Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.” 2 Timothy 2:19″

    “We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him. Acts 5:32″

    John 14: 15 “If you love Me, you will do what I say. 16 Then I will ask My Father and He will give you another Helper. He will be with you forever. 17 He is the Spirit of Truth. The world cannot receive Him. It does not see Him or know Him. You know Him because He lives with you and will be in you.23 Jesus said, “The one who loves Me will obey My teaching. My Father will love him. We will come to him and live with him.

    • Walt Henry

      Merle, do you see how much effort a person needs to spend to change a fact so simple as this is God’s world and all that are in it are in his care, to what ever it is and for what ever purpose you might try to modify His reality?

      • crucified

        Que Sera Sera!

  • crucified

    (should have said accept Jesus as “LORD”, not except)

  • crucified

    All the time and energy wasted over hundrends of years to pen the 66 books which make up the cannon of God’s word, all for nought. We can throw the book away! All the years men wasted reading the bible, going to cemetary (seminary) training, bible colleges, divinity school, and studying theology! Larry’s got it all condensed down to explain God and His relationship with creation in one small, minute sentence: “God’s world and all that are in it are in his care”

    Thanks, Larry! I’ve seen the light.

  • Richard Olson

    Refusing to take responsibility for opposing reasonable gun safety measurers is one thing. But the gun lobby has struck a new low today.
    While testifying at a Connecticut Hearing the father of little Jesse Lewis who was killed in the Newtown Shooting Spree was heckled by lax gun law supporters.
    While holding a picture of his dead six year old boy Neil Heslin was heckled by several gun enthusiasts who attempted to drown out his testimony by repeated shouts of “The Second Amendment”, “The Second Amendment. Apparently the second amendment is the only one that matters to these people.

    • crucified

      Richard, Your words were all scrambled and made no sense. Not to worry, I unscrambled them to make more sense. I agree with you, using the death of his son to advance his liberal agenda is a new low, even for the left.

      Refusing to enthusiast support “The Second Amendment ”, is one thing. But the father of little Jesse Lewis, who was killed in the Newtown Shooting Spree, struck a new low today. Neil Heslin was testifying at a Connecticut Hearing opposing the second amendment, while holding a picture of his dead six year old boy, attempted to drown out “The Second Amendment” to reasonable people. Several of these measurers heckle gun laws. While apparently his lax testimony shouts only responsibility is the gun. The gun lobby repeated gun safety matters.

      • Richard Olson

        Wow Merle, I suppose changing my words to make fun of the parents of murdered children, has gained you a lot of respect in certain circles. I know it certainly makes me respect Christians much more.

        • Walt Henry

          Richard, I’ve glanced at the 66 books and thumbed through all 90 some essays known as the “Fundamentals” and I have yet to find a single reference where Jesus said, “Shoot to kill.” That being what it is, let me remind you when Jesus came to show a different pathway to the presence of God there were ‘godly’ men called Pharisees who know all the rules but, Jesus believed, missed the point. I would hope you would not judge all Christians by your experience with but a few.

          • Richard Olson

            Don’t worry Larry, I understand that all Christians aren’t sanctimonies self-righteous phonies like Merle.

  • crucified

    Richard! LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

    Your whole premises is built around a phony story propagated by an arm of the state sponsored media that disseminates false information to promote their communistic ideology.

    NBC Demonizes Gun Owners With Phony ‘Heckler’ Story

    ALEXANDRIA, VA – On Monday’s edition of “Martin Bashir,” MSNBC ran footage of the testimony of Neil Heslin, the father of a Sandy Hook victim, in which it appears he is heckled by gun rights activists. MSNBC’s accompanying graphics box read “Mocked and Loaded. Sandy Hook Victim’s Father Heckled by Gun Rights Advocates.”

    In reality, Heslin was not heckled. He posed a challenge to the audience, and the audience responded. The MSNBC version deliberately cut out Heslin’s challenge to make it appear as though he was interrupted by heckling gun advocates.

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