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Long ago immigrants stirred the melting pot [UPDATED]

Published 9:50am Thursday, April 11, 2013 Updated 11:52am Thursday, April 11, 2013

So many letter writers have based their arguments on how this land is made up of immigrants. Many suggest we should tear down the Statue of Liberty because the people now in question aren’t being treated the same as those who passed through Ellis Island and other ports of entry.

Maybe we should turn to our history books and point out to people like those why today’s American is not willing to accept this new kind of immigrant any longer. Back in 1900 when there was a rush from all areas of Europe to come to the United States, people had to get off a ship and stand in a long line in New York and be documented.

Some would even get down on their hands and knees and kiss the ground. They made a pledge to uphold the laws and support their new country in good and bad times.

They made learning English a primary rule in their new American households and some even changed their names to blend in with their new home.

They had waved good bye to their birth place to give their children a new life and did everything in their power to help their children assimilate into one culture. Nothing was handed to them.

No free lunches, no welfare, no labor laws to protect them. All they had were the skills and craftsmanship they had brought with them to trade for a future of prosperity.

Most of their children came of age when World War II broke out.

My uncle fought along side men whose parents had come straight over from Germany, Italy, France and Japan.

None of these first generation Americans ever gave any thought about what country their parents had come from. They were Americans fighting Hitler, Mussolini and the Emperor of Japan.

They were defending the United States of America as one people.

When we liberated France, no one in those villages were looking for the French-American or the German American or the Irish American. The people of France saw only Americans.

And we carried one flag that represented one country. Not one of those immigrant sons would have thought about picking up another country’s flag and waving it to represent who they were.

It would have been a disgrace to their parents who had sacrificed so much to be here. These immigrants truly knew what it meant to be an American. They stirred the melting pot into one red, white and blue bowl.

And here we are with a new kind of immigrant who wants the same rights and privileges.

Only they want to achieve it by playing with a different set of rules,one that includes the entitlement card and a guarantee of being faithful to their mother country.

I’m sorry, that’s not what being an American is all about. I believe that the immigrants who landed on Ellis Island in the early 1900′s deserve better than that for all the toil, hard work and sacrifice is raising future generations to create a land that has become a beacon for those legally searching for a better life.

I think they would be appalled that they are being used as an example by those waving foreign country flags.

And for that suggestion about taking down the Statue of Liberty , it happens to mean a lot to the citizens who are voting on the immigration bill. I wouldn’t start talking about dismantling the United States just yet.

I sincerely hope this letter gets read by millions of people all across the nation.

 

Theodore Steenbock

Fergus Falls

  • holly

    Mr. Steenbock: Is it OK to cut/paste a piece like this off of the Internet and put your name at the bottom, as if you actually wrote it? Looks like plagiarism to me, as this letter has been floating around the web for a decade now (it’s even on Snopes). Yet you present it as your own. Perhaps the Daily Journal could have spent 30 seconds to find out that it is not your work instead of blindly printing it.

  • Walt Henry

    I don’t have any idea what the letter writer is trying to say. Yes, most of this letter has been floating around the internet for a few years now. But let me add a little of Minnesota’s history to the discussion of immigration; a little more than changing the name of the street we now know as Washington Ave. in Fergus Falls.
    The Minnesota legislature in 1917, a few days after the United States entered WWI created a Commission of Public Safety which had the power to seize private property, require anyone it desired to appear before it, demand judges issue subpoenas and investigate public officials. All this because Minnesota’s population consisted of a large percentage of German-Americans. Probably, this commission of unelected officials was unconstitutional. Probably there were a few Minnesotans with emotional ties to “the old country”.
    The headlines in the Official Bulletin of the Minnesota Commission of Public Safety Vol. 1 No. 13 declares “Awaken Patriotism Everywhere” “Every Loyalist Must Be On Guard” and my personal favorite “One Country, One Flag, One People and One Speech” (So much for my grand parents speaking Norwegian around the dinner table) And what political party singled out law abiding citizens for nothing more than the country of their ancestors?–the party of conservatives we now know as the Republican Party.
    How old is history when it is happening today?

    • holly

      “And what political party singled out law abiding citizens for nothing more than the country of their ancestors?”

      Woodrow Wilson (Progressive Democrat) was President in 1917. He issued two sets of regulations on April 6, 1917, and November 16, 1917, imposing restrictions on German-born male residents of the United States over the age of 14.

      President Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democrat) authorized the WWII internments with Executive Order 9066.

      Facts & history Larry/Walt.

      • Walt Henry

        Holly, did you miss my point? Remember how so many of us believe smaller government is better; state government smaller and more intune to the needs of its people? These victims were our grand parents and great grand parents suffering from the biases of fearful simpletons and dullards. Are we repeating history because of those who refuse to understand math, facts or the context of history?

        • holly

          No Larry/Walt, I did not miss your point. I just answered your question. Now you are saying that Wilson and FDR were “fearful simpletons and dullards”?

          • Walt Henry

            Holly, Minnesota lived through WWI with very little agitation from pro-German, anti-American sabotage. (BTW–the five member appointed Minnesota Commission of Public Health had a greater mandate to strip one of his constitutional rights than the power coming from Washington DC.) America lived through WWII with very little pro-Japanese anti- American sabotage. And remember, in Minnesota we persecuted our own. On the national level, particularly in WWII we persecuted “those other people who were not like us.” I certainly am not making the case that because Republicans and Democrats alike violated Constitutional and civil rights of fellow Americans during WWI and WWII that was Ok. One last thing, and this is a point you made for me–it seems the Democratic Party has learned something about civil rights and cultural differences as persecuting people out of fears alone has seemed to have no profitable purpose what-so-ever. That’s what an accurate understanding of history teaches us. On the other hand, one party has Michelle Bachmann.

          • holly

            Wilson and FDR led the way – the states followed their lead.

            “the Democratic Party has learned something about civil rights”

            Really? President Obama has not only retained the controversial Bush policies, he has expanded on them. He continues warrantless surveillance and military tribunals that deny defendants basic rights. He continues to kill American citizens on foreign soil. How about their civil rights? He has not closed Guantanomo Bay as promised. Where is the outcry from the left on those issues?

  • camobabe

    And, Supreme Leader for Life 0bama is waging a relentless and vicious war against Christians of conscience who are pro life by forcing them to pay for abortions in their health insurance; by forcing upon them the perversion of homosexual marriage; by forcing them to pay for contraceptives for others, among other outrages.
    Larry alias Walt, or vice versa, you pretend to be Christian here, yet you defend every action of the anti-religious actions and policies of 0bama and his anti-Christian so called Democratic party. You shift your argument from false accusations against conservatives to a mealy mouthed defense of charlatans like FDR and 0bama.
    You are a shining example of the “simpletons and dullards” and , I would add, useful idiots, who foster and promote the anti-religious, anti-American leftists.

  • Walt Henry

    Wow! Drones and war prisoners? I thought the letter to the editor was about immigration. That’s the headline. Continuing the practices of a predecessor when an alternative is not politically possible is what it is. (Cleaning your kitchen sink?) Best to stick to the subject. Remember you are commenting in public and when you are wrong it is not a secret.

    • camobabe

      Larry, thank you for reminding we idiotic beleivers in free speech of “Alias Larry’s Rules of Permissible Speech and Allowable Opinions”.

      How criminal of us to forget the boundaries you so judiciously erect to guide and control our minds and utterances.

    • holly

      Larry – connect the dots – many of the American citizens that have been killed by Obama’s drone attacks were immigrants, or their parents were. You were the one that said that the Democrats have “learned something about civil rights and cultural differences as persecuting people out of fears alone …”. I gave you examples where, in the case of President Obama, that clearly is not the case. Hope you enjoy eating your crow Larry, as you are commenting in public, and everyone here knows you are wrong.

      • Walt Henry

        Stretch Armstrong, you are correct. Many victims of drone attacks are in fact immigrants. They began as Saudi and Yemeni citizens, left their home countries, joined Al Qaeda, and are fighting against US forces with the Taliban as immigrants in Pakistan. Now that is not to say drones haven’t been used other places like Yemen and killed American citizen, immigrant within that country, who has publicly announced his intention to carryout terrorist attacks against the country of his birth. Holly, you make it sound like second and third generation German-Americans’ are likely to be “droning” first generation Germans-Americans at any moment, or are you confusing the point of this letter and stretching the connection of your dots just a little?

        • holly

          Not that much of a stretch, Larry/Walt. Many of those Yemeni, Saudi (and Somalian) citizens that President Obama has killed have friends and family in the Minneapolis area.

          When Bush was killing American citizens, the left was livid. Now that Obama is doing it, it’s so quiet you can hear a pin drop. Blatant hypocrisy.

          • Walt Henry

            I am reminded of the lyrics of “Mercedes Benz” as sung by Janis Joplin with extra special emphasis on the first two words of each stanza.

  • camobabe

    BTW – Where are Acker/Richard/Curly and Alias Phaedrus Moe?

  • crucified

    Larry, you condemn others for goping off topic, while you yourself attempt to steer the conversation in another direction all the time.

    You say; “Democratic Party has learned something about civil rights and cultural differences as persecuting people out of fears alone has seemed to have no profitable purpose what-so-ever.”

    I assume you are trying to say that somehow the Republican party is persecuting “Legal immigrants yet today? If this is the case, that is a pretty serious charge. Please explain what it is that they are doing to “Legal” immigrants that allows you to accuse them of persecuting these “LEGAL” immigrants?

  • crucified

    The whole letter was concerning how immigrants of the past were so grateful to be here that they would jump through hoops to assimilate in to their new nation; as opposed to today where immigrants come here but want to maintain allegiance to their former. Immigrants of the past came here legally and wanted an opportunity to find their own lot in life; as opposed to immigrants of today who expect a free lunch. Our nations immigration problem is more of a liberal policy problem, than it is the fault of the “ILLEGAL” immigrants themselves. Notice I didn’t say a Demmy or Republcican problem) Your utopian pipe dream to open up the borders and allow the 6 billion people of the world to come here is not a legitimate option. I don’t believe the letter writer (submitter) was justifying the actions of FDR, Woodrow Wilson, or the Minnesota representatives, yet that is how you attempted to portray it.

    • Walt Henry

      hahahahahaha Merle, you’ve done it again. I’m not known as a man prone to belly laughing but you are a treat! Assuming your comment about the letter being about immigrants being so grateful for being here they “jumped through hoops”; if that was a known fact why the Commission on Public Safety? hahahahahahahaha Oh, and the word condemn seems to have a different meaning of intensity for each of us. hahahaha And I wonder which of God’s children He thinks is illegal. hahahahahaha (If the job creators weren’t giving undocumented workers (work cheap) jobs they wouldn’t be here. It’s not like there are a lot of people slinking across the border to live in poverty.)
      There is a conversation going on in Washington DC about immigration right now. Listen to the voices. Read a little.
      Camilla and Holly, Obama won the last election and unless the Constitution is changed he’s not going to run again. Those are what we often call FACTS. If you wish to have a conversation let’s talk current events.

    • Walt Henry

      Sorry Merle, I may have been laughing too violently and sent my response to the filter file. Be patient. I wouldn’t want to you think I was ignoring you.

      • crucified

        Larry, you weren’t ignoring me, you were ignoring the topic.

    • Walt Henry

      Merle, you say the letter is about immigrants and in the past (history) they were different than immigrants of today. You offer no proof they are different today and I am saying our reaction to them is not so different than our reaction to them was in the past, at least in words used by one of the political parties of today.

      BTW–the people entering this country to work without the proper documentation are generally NOT the most impoverished in the country of their birth. Common sense would suggest people in poverty would not make the effort to move o another country where they would live in poverty as well. Rather, like our ancestors they are following a dream of building a better life for themselves and their families-the American Dream.
      I doubt one or more of God’s children are “illegal”? I doubt God’s love follows the boundaries of countries as created by man.

  • Richard Olson

    I’m right here Camilla, I’ve been waiting to see who could make the stupidest comment. So far phony Holly is ahead, if only because she can not comprehend what Larry has written. I love how she condemns Liberals for past mistakes of both parties while failing to notice how her fellow tea baggers still support those policies today. Before anyone says that’s not true, read some of the works of one of the few female tea baggers to compete with Michele Bachman for dunce of the century, namely Michelle Malkin.

    Then I suppose you, alias Camilla, must be in second place. But don’t count Merle out just yet. He hasn’t had adequate time to develop a completely incoherent conspiracy theory, with an opportunity to quote several bible verses to prove he was in the manger with baby Jesus.

    It’s entertaining to say the least, to watch you attempt to pump some more mileage out of that tired old sympathy saw about how Christians are persecuted today. Oh boo hoo, Obama is going to make me marry a queer and make me pay for some modern maiden to use birth control rather than consult rats tails and eye of newt. I’ll give your side this much, you’ve ridden those Roman Lions longer than any horseman in history.
    Eat a few Christians, get a free ride for eternity (no questions asked of course).

    The only question that remains now is to guess the exact number of bible verses Merle will quote to prove I’m going to hell and President Obama will be there to greet me. And of course we are more than likely to hear more feigned outrage from phony Holly along the lines of curses and blasphemy for me insulting her sensitive nature, which has grown increasingly delicate since her retirement from the French Foreign Legion.

  • crucified

    RO, I’m on the edge of my seat eagerly waiting for you to give us your keen insight regarding the letter to the editor, and all we get is more of your insults to everyone who disagrees with your liberal atheistic views. I’m disapointed!

    • Richard Olson

      Good! Stay that way!

  • Richard Olson

    Immigrants have been sneaking across our boarders for 200 years. The only difference is the past was that it was more difficult to sneak across the Atlantic Ocean. Unless like Merle and one other guy you could walk on water.

    Republican have never ever had a problem with boarder crossers as long as they could abuse those people in low wage jobs. Then one day the republicans found that legal immigrants of Spanish decent were voting for the Democratic party. NOW the republicans discovered they had a problem. Does anyone think that if Hispanics voted for republicans that the republicans would have a problem with boarder crossers.

    Notice that because we Liberals believe in the constitution I refer to the subject of this instant issue as boarder crossers. They are not illegal immigrants because they have not been convicted of a crime. So don’t brag about how you think the constitution is the greatest thing since sliced bread then refer to people who walk across boarders as having committed a crime.

    It’s curious how so-called Laissez-Faire capitalists have absolutely no problem with “capital” crossing boarders un-impeded, but go nuts when labor does the same thing when they vote the wrong way.

  • crucified

    RO; haven’t you heard. The liberals (Republicans) believe that if they simply grant amnesty to “ILLEGALS” (no political correctness here) that those newly granted citizens will now vote for them. I agree with you though, if these “ILLEGALS” become citizens they will vote for the socialists (Democrats), rather than the liberals (Republicans). Who doesn’t want free stuff?

    But don’t lump all spanish speaking immigrants together. Many of those who have come from Cuba understand what happenes when government promises them free stuff! Because they have experienced what comes with the free stuff, they tend to be more conservative than those coming from other hispanic countries.

    • Richard Olson

      Cuba’s education index is equal highest in the world, along with Australia, Finland, Denmark and New Zealand. Cuba’s education index is 0.993 of a possible score of 1.
      Its adult literacy rate is 99.8% and school enrolments are 100%. Public expenditure on education in Cuba is 14.2% of total government expenditure. This is higher than Australia (13.3%) and the US (13.7%).

      Cuba tops the world in the ratio of female to male enrolment in primary, secondary and tertiary education, at 121%.
      Cuba’s life expectancy is 78.5 years, the highest along with Chile in Latin America and the Caribbean. It compares favorably with Australia (81.4 years) and the US (79.1 years).
      In Cuba, 43% of parliamentary seats are held by women, the third-highest level in the world after Rwanda (51%) and Sweden (47%)

      .The infant mortality rate is 4.7 per 1000 births (equivalent to Canada, the USA and Australia), life expectancy is 78 years, and the literacy rate is 99.8% of adults over 15 years (the highest in the world).

      Over the 50 years of Cuba’s socialist revolution, in spite of the ongoing economic blockade and with meager resources, Cuba has achieved health and education standards for its people that are the envy of the world.
      Despite being under an embargo from the USA since the revolution, which stopped all imports from the big pharmaceutical companies, Cuba has eradicated 14 infectious diseases, including malaria, from its population.

      Yeah all that free stuff is terrible isn’t it Merle. Also don’t confuse young Cuban’s with their parents and/or grandparents. But you can’t possible admit any of this, can you Merle. Because to your pompous brand of Christianity they are godless communists and that blinds you to anything on the island. You’ve been spoon fed on a diet that equates communism with dictatorship, so you know no better and we all know you’re not likely to pick up a book and read anything different than what your religious goons tell you. That might expand your mind, an anathema, to the sheep of Christianity.

  • crucified

    RO, this isn’t meant to be facetious or patronizing, but a serious question. If you like Cuba’s government and their economic system so much, why don’t you move there? The climate is much nicer than Minnesota’s. There are many Cubans that would be glad to swap places with you. So, is that the left’s goal, to make the USA more like Cuba?

    • Richard Olson

      Merle, in my world everything is not one sided. I’ve traveled enough to know that there are many countries that do some things better than we do and we do some things better than others. I never said that I preferred Cuba’s government or economic system. I simply pointed out that in the areas of health care and education they do it better than we do.

      I did so mainly to show that because of your narrow parochial view you can not admit the truth of an issue because you view communism as godless and therefore nothing good can happen because of a communist economic system.

      You question is as ludicrous as me asking you….”if you like heaven so much and are positive you’re going there anyway why not kill yourself and get there quicker”? I’ve always wondered why Christians will do anything and everything to cling to life. It tells me they have been putting on a show for the rest of us. I know this much for sure…in Vietnam, Christians kept their precious head down just as much as anyone else. Ask yourself this Merle…why do you look both ways when crossing the street, is your faith in god plan for your life a little weak?

  • crucified

    I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body. Convinced of this, I know that I will remain, and I will continue with all of you for your progress and joy in the faith,

    • crucified

      Larry, you’re a fraud (not anger, just an observation of how your words contradict your actions). At least RO admits that he’s an atheist and he does not hide the fact that he’s a radical socialist. (not labeling, just using proper definitions to define you and RO”s ideology) But you try to portray yourself as a moderate and a religious man, yet you agree 100% of the time with a socialist atheist. If you’re a moderate I would hated to see what a pure leftist would look like.

    • Walt Henry

      In the context of the time do you know what Paul was contemplating and finding nothing sinful in such an thing?

  • crucified

    If you detect anger, it is righteous anger. Anger over atheists attempting to destroy our nation by forcing their anti-Christian philosophies on our society and on our culture. The devil has taken over education, entertainment, and most of the news outlets. The youth in our country today have no distinction between what is right and what is wrong, they cannot tell the difference between light and darkness, nor do they know the difference between righteousness and unrighteousness. They call what is evil, good and what is good, evil.

  • Walt Henry

    Romans 12:19, Ezekiel 13:13, Jer. 3:12 & 7:20 (from a quick Google) Whew–I keep thinking god’s name is Larry–I’m glad to now know it’s Merle. :)

  • crucified

    Larry, you’re a fraud (not anger, just an observation of how your words contradict your actions). At least RO admits that he’s an atheist and he does not hide the fact that he’s a radical socialist. (not labeling, just using proper definitions to define you and RO”s ideology) But you try to portray yourself as a moderate and a religious man, yet you agree 100% of the time with a socialist atheist. If you’re a moderate I would hated to see what a pure leftist would look like.

  • crucified

    Do you know of anyone endorsing taking vengeance? God told Ezekiel and Jeremiah to give warning to the people that they may turn from evil and avoid God’s anger and judgment. The very things that you condemn today.

    No Larry, I am not God, just one of His ambassadors.

    • Richard Olson

      “Do you know of anyone endorsing taking vengeance?”….well the god of the bible for one.

      • Walt Henry

        Richard, I doubt I would put too much importance on the words of someone who claims to know not only the actions but what is in the heart of someone he has never met. It is quite possible that such a man might be wrong on how he understands God but not wrong about the existence of God.

      • crucified

        RO, stay with the program. Larry gave a scripture Romans 12:19 suggesting that I (not God) wanted to take vengeance. Neither of us were sussggesting that God Himself does not take vengeance.

        • Richard Olson

          When you said “anyone”, I assumed you meant “anyone”. Silly me.

  • crucified

    Larry does not understand how someone could know, not only the actions, but what is in the heart of someone they’ve never met.

    O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? (for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks). A good man out of the good treasure of the heart brings forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things. Matthew 12:34-35

    Wherefore by their fruits you will know them. Matthew 7:20

    Larry, I know you and your heart, I know this by what you speak. Like I’ve said many times now; you are a fraud. You pretend to be a Christian and a moderate, yet you agree with an admitted atheist and proud socialist on every issue. There is nothing moderate or Christian about you. The good news is that that could all change. Paul was a zealous follower of God, yet he was having Christians thrown in prisons and killed. Paul got saved, so can you. But you need to repent (change your mind).
    I guarantee after God changes your heart and your mind is renewed by the word of God that you will no longer agree with atheists and liberals.

    • Richard Olson

      You won’t agree with gravity either.

    • Walt Henry

      I would hope I would never stop the process of becoming like Christ–see one of the definitions of the word “Christian.” :) I hope my heart and mind have long ago surrendered any dream I may have had of becoming Pharisee-like. :)

  • Walt Henry

    To the general readership and those who regularly comment here–Do you see what happens when the discussion doesn’t follow the intent of the original letter? Feelings get hurt, crazy things are written and selfishness, ignorance, and fears are exposed. Maybe that’s necessary but I wish it weren’t. I wish, in this case, we could have a discussion of our fears, our history, (are our fears new? How did we cope with them in the past?) how much a solution to the problem outlined in the letter will cost, who will we pay for it and is it really worth that cost?

    • camobabe

      Larry, your fraudulent pose as a Chritian knows no bounds or limits, does it? How grateful we are to know you have named yourself Larry and named God Larry, so we mindless fools can see that you and God are interchangeable parts, and your words are as prudent and valid as your competitor, God.

      God’s kingdom is not the Marxist utopia on earth which you espouse and attempt to offer as better than anything offered by God. While I differ with Acker/Richard in my beliefs, at least he admits to his athiestic socialist intentions, while you conceal your satan mate serpent
      skin under a phony lamb of Christ. We cannot read your mind and know your beliefs? We have read your offerings and see the duplicity of your phony Christian beliefs which you twist into evil meanings. The accumulated works of what you have written on this site for so long add up to those of an anti-Christian deceiver, a poseur.

    • crucified

      Larry, The general readership and those who regularly comment here– see how you steer the discussion away from the intent of the original letter? I’m sorry that your feelings got hurt, but the crazy things you’ve written not only expose your selfishness, ignorance, and fears, but also reveals your hypocrisy. It’s necessary to point it out, not only for those who made read your comments, but also to wake you up. In this thread, we should have had a discussion of the new age degradation verses our history of assimilation, (is liberalism new? We rid ourselves of Hitler, Mussolini, and Saddam Husein in the past.) The solution to the problem outlined in the letter will be of great value, we will we pay for it if we do nothing and it is really worth preserving our heritage and safety.

  • crucified

    Larry, the reason that the discussion didn’t follow the intent of the original letter is obvious.

    Read your opening entry into the discussion: “I don’t have any idea what the letter writer is trying to say.”

    That is perhaps one of the truest statements that you’ve ever made in any of your comments.

    The letter writer was clearly showing how American immigrants have changed over the years. Immigrants of the past swore allegiance to their new nation, assimilated into the culture, and learned to read, write, and speak english. America was a melting pot and unity was the standard, but today diversity is the highly sought after goal. We now print government documents and create phone messages in spanish.(not German, Norwegian, or Japanese, just Spanish) Diversity is making us the “divided” States of America rather than the “united” States of America. Diversity is the antitheses of Unity. Liberals shun the idea of the melting pot in favor of dividing people according to ethnicity. Quotas, racial demographics, and reverse discrimination (affirmative action) are used to keep racism alive.

  • crucified

    Perhaps the reason that the discussion doesn’t follow the intent of the original letter is because there are too many people like you on this thread.

    Larry, your first line that you wrote in this comment was the most truthful thing that you’ve ever said in any comment section: “I don’t have any idea what the letter writer is trying to say.”

    It was obvious by your response that you had no idea what was being said. Let me shorten and simplify it for you. Allegiance, Patriotism, Assimilation, and Unity were high priorities amongst new immigrants of the past. Today that has been replaced with welfare seekers, hatred toward America, and diversity. The melting pot has been replaced with racial quotas, affirmative action, and ethnic demographics. Thanks Liberals for keeping racism alive and well, and for thwarting Dr. Kings dream of equality amongst the races.

    • BrendanJanssen

      Well, you got me to laugh. That is literally all I feel this thread is worth commenting on.

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