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Legislative session reveals truth on myths [UPDATED]

Published 9:48am Friday, May 31, 2013 Updated 11:50am Friday, May 31, 2013

The just finished session of the Minnesota legislature exposed the truth about myths the Democrats foist upon us.

Myth 1: “The Democrats are the party of the little guy and the middle class”. The results of the Democrat controlled session should dispel that myth forever. All Minnesotans will pay more in their family budgets for such things as childcare, healthcare, cable TV, electricity.

Even worse are the things the Democrats tried to pass , but ran out of time to do before the mandatory end of the session: increases in gas taxes, new taxes on clothing, insurance, snack foods, alcoholic beverages.

Can anyone doubt that they will try again next year to force those outrages on us?

Myth 2: “Your property taxes will go down.” While the Democrats claim they are lowering property taxes,they have not reduced the statewide property tax, only paid more aid to local governments with LGA. But, they have raised other taxes to pay for the LGA, and the only people who will get tax reductions are those who live in a city that receives LGA.

That leaves out half the people in the state. If history is any guide, mayors and city councils will find ways to spend the new money rather than lowering your property taxes. Homeowners have historically been hit with tax increases in years with LGA increases.

Myth 3: “Democrats are making up for ten years of budget cuts.” Public records put the lie to this. In budget years 2002-2003 State spending was $27 Billion.

Our current 2012-2013 budget is $35 Billion, a ten year increase of $8 Billion, or 30 percent. The Democrats and Mark Dayton just raised the State spending budget to $35 Billion, another 9 percent. How can anyone claim that this 39 percent growth in spending is ten years of budget cuts? Only Democrat math could arrive at such a conclusion.

There are many more Democrat untruths exposed in the foolish actions of this one party government gone wild with power. Let us pray we can avoid the calamities this burdensome spending will cause for families, for the employers who provide jobs and earnings to families, and the loss of the freedom of families to use their earnings for themselves instead of handing it over to a gluttinous government to

feed itself.

 

Camilla Ryan

Fergus Falls

 

  • Walt Henry

    Don’t you just love the representative democracy established by our founding fathers via the Constitution. (It did create the richest country in the world.)

  • Elliot Dallavalle

    I’m just using Camilla’s figures and if they are correct, it appears that the Democrats along with Gov. Dayton held the line on spending. The 2012-13 budget was $35 billion, and the new budget signed by Gov. Dayton is still $35 billion, according to her.

    I think the Democratic leadership in the house and senate should be commended for holding the line on spending. What they succeeded in doing is increase revenue by $2.1 billion to pay for the $825 million held back from the schools by the Republicans of 2011/12. They also raised $500 million to be refunded to property owners that have been socked by the Republican 2011/12 legislators who eliminated the Homestead Credit Act. And not to be too critical of the past republican programs, the Gov was forced to come up with additional revenue for the Vikings stadium because the gambling revenue championed by the Republicans fell miserably short of the projected $38 million/annually. It appears the Governor might also have to set aside approximately $1 million to pay for the Brodkorb/Koch affair that still hasn’t been settled – thank you Mr. Zellers.

    So I don’t see the problem with holding the line on spending. Even Camilla’s own figures prove that. Why she accuses the Gov and the Democrats for increased spending doesn’t jive with her figures but her hatred for the left seems to cloud her opinion. She should be thanking the left for not over-reaching and holding the line on spending. That is afterall what her figures show and knowing her, she never makes a mistake. She double checks, triple checks, and runs it through fact-checker three times before she would even attempt to publish anything remotely wrong. I commend Camilla for her thoroughness – thanks!

    • Richard Olson

      You are absolutely correct Elliot. If there is anyone we can depend upon to provide honest unbiased insight regarding the Minnesota DFL, it would be the person using the alias Camilla Ryan. Her calm, steady, coherent, lucid writings are an inspiration to all of us.

  • camobabe

    When I wrote this letter, I wrote that “The Democrats and Mark Dayton just raised the State spending budget to $38 billion,another 9 percent”.But you all knew that the budget is now $38 billion but are trying to cover that up by playing a phony game that the budget is still $35 Billion, so what’s the big deal? Or, in Queen Hillary’s words, “What does it matter, who cares?”
    I don’t know how the number of $38 Bilion I sent morphed into $35 Billion.

    But, using Democrat logic, we should assign moral equivalence between a typo and your deliberate misrepresentations? A few days ago you radicals were joyously triumphant about the new $38 Billion spending bills, but now you want to cover it up with a typo?

    Maybe because even the MSP Red Star and Tribune is editorializing that their favorite raddies have gone too far, and there is an editorial in this paper chastising the radicals for overreaching with trying to take over the daycare centers for use as campaign fundraising instruments for the Democrats?

    • Elliot Dallavalle

      Camilla – Are you just making stuff up now? How could you be wrong? It is my understanding that when a letter is sent to the editor, it is published exactly as it is written. If your letter has been changed I would think you have a legitimate complaint against the paper?

      So will the editor of the paper comment on this? Did you change the figures of Camilla’s original LTE as she contends, or did you publish it as is?

    • Richard Olson

      And a few days ago you alias Camilla were here pushing the lie that the governor wanted to raise the gas tax, which you knew to be untrue before you wrote it.

  • Walt Henry

    In the last election cycle, of the comments made by Republican/conservatives, over 50% were rated either outright lies or not supportable with facts as opposed to less than 25% made by Democrats/progressives.
    Which side of the political spectrum is the letter writer on?

  • J Mullins

    So, what difference does it make whether Camilla had a typo? She has corrected it here and written the actual increase as $38Billion, PLUS. If you believe that figure of $38 BIllion is wrong, then just read this same paper or others which report the $38 Billion figure, and based on that figure, Camilla’s other calculations of rise in the spending and percentages of increases still hold true.

    And, Curly Richard, the fact remains that Marx Dayton pushed for months to raise the gas tax, but it failed in the House when even his own DFL majority there said it was too much of a stretch, and rural DFL members reported that very assertive constituents were threatening recall elections against members who voted to approve Marx Dayton’s gas tax increase. Yet Dayton made some flip comment like, “Oh well, there is always next year’s session”.

    Larry, you tell a few whoppers here, but your phony report about accuracy of conservative comments sets a new low for your dishonesty. Where did you get those figures, from the sterling character Bluestem Prairie blog, the champion of Godless Marxist socialist communism? Or did Curly Richard or yourself write that to the BSP, and then report that that it must be true, you saw it on the internet? One socialist lies, and the others swear it is true, same old tactics.

    • Elliot Dallavalle

      And the local socialist, neo-nazi, Stalin sympathizer, Lenin lover, marxist, communist chimes in – nice to see you too Jerome! Welcome to the good old USA – where freedom to express your views (albeit in your case somewhere far out in right field) is our constitutional right.

      Today’s lesson for you Jerome is how many synonyms can you come up with for communist? Get ready, get set, go!

    • Richard Olson

      For people who deny being married to each other (Jerome and Camilla Mullins) sure do follow each other around the internet defending, and qualifying each other remarks. Additionally Jerome seem to be the only one who knows the whereabouts of an entity without an address, phone number, or any traceable history in veterans service organizations, avenue of flags, Marine Corps foundation or on the internet in general.

      • Elliot Dallavalle

        Do you think Camilla’s suffered the same fate as W’s? After all George Bush’s seem to have mysteriously disappeared.

  • Walt Henry

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/05/study-politifact-says-republicans-lie-more-164943.html
    Judge for yourself. Just because the raters didn’t make the comparison doesn’t mean the conclusions drawn from comparison aren’t factual.
    And the truly scary thing about this–suppose people only listen to news services and politicians they agree with and those people are not honest. Sort of what happened in Germany, any totalitarian takeover in fact.

    • Elliot Dallavalle

      I propose one question to ask any Republican candidate, either planning to run for office or currently holding office, to determine if they can tell the truth.

      Does lowering taxes produce jobs?

      There is no other answer than the truth and that is an unequivocal NO.

      No Republican will rightly answer thereby leaving proof they cannot tell the truth. Case closed!

      • J Mullins

        In your (Marxist) dreams!

        • Richard Olson

          Wow that was a clever answer Jerome. Instead of using facts or even examples to prove Elliot wrong you revert to the only thing you know….acting like a “mini me” Joe McCarthy.

          Elliot is 100% correct and Jerome Ryan just proved it. Jerome, you better head on over to the Wall-Mart parking lot for another lesion in nursing home economics from the Chief Wall-Mart greeter. (bring your coupons, I hear there’s a sale on “Beano” gas relief pills)

          • J Mullins

            Word on the streets is that you have to take those Beano pills every couple hours to keep from puffing up and blowing away life a blimp adrift in the wind.

  • Mandy P.

    I have been reading this commentary.
    So far, it looks like Camilla wrote a letter to the editor detailing some facts about the last legislative session.
    Then Richard, Elliot, and Larry attacked Camilla’s character while failing to dispute any of her data.
    Camilla admitted to a typo (35 vs 38) and stated her position that the body of her comments in the letter were still factual.
    Richard, Elliot, and Larry conntinued to attack and ridicule Camilla’s character while offering no factual rebuttals, only aspersions against her character and assumed motivatins for writing the letter.
    Jerome jumped in to remind Camilla’s assailants that her points were accurate per other stories carried in this paper, and was insulted and called a non person for injecting reality into the stream of invective. His character and veracity were attacked, but no factual claims were made by Larry, Richard, or Elliot to disprove what Camilla had written.Lots of slurs and off the wall conjecture, but no facts.
    Richard continued to muddy the waters with invective and insults and claims so far fetched only a demented scatterbrain would accept them.
    Another day in the life of the radical trolls laying in wait to savage anyone with an opinion contrary to their radical screed. And further evidence that the liberals and radicals fear nothing so much as a courageous and assertive conservative woman, as in their world women are required to meekly submit to the liberal theology, or face the angry mobs of ellitist radicals who know best what we must do, say, and believe. Hang in there Camilla, these old rads won’t win their war to intimidate women as easily as they hope. And we aren’t running away just because the old bullies bare their fangs while spewing spittle over their chins to intimidate us.

    • Walt Henry

      Mandy- I had to check the definition of the word “fact” just to be sure I understood the meaning of word correctly. You wrote Camilla “detailing some facts”. Where are they? “something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact. 2. something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.” This definition from dictionary reference.com.
      Where and how much is the statewide property tax?
      Here’s another dubious statement “ran out of time to do before the mandatory end of the session”. As we have seen in past sessions the party in power can extend the session if there is unfinished business. The DFL didn’t so must have decided they were done for now.
      Another-” All Minnesotans will pay more in their family budgets for such things as childcare, healthcare, cable TV, electricity.” I’m a Minnesotan and I don’t and won’t. As we all know, in 2014 families with 5 year olds will likely pay LESS for daycare if their school district has not offered all day kindergarten before. (All is an absolute and rarely true and certainly not usually a fact.)
      Lastly, “Democrats are making up for ten years of budget cuts.” On this one I can see how you get confused for it does take some amount of higher level-complex thinking skills. 20 years ago, I put $20 of gas in my Cadillac each week and used it for my daily drive to work. Times have changed and the car I drive has changed as has the gas mileage it gets. However, and you would no doubt agree, $20 will not buy as much gas today as it did 20 years ago. So someone of questionable intelligence COULD claim my gasoline budget has gone up, and by Camilla’s understanding it has, but in fact I’m only paying the current cost of gasoline. Using your own experience I am sure there are things you buy less of or spend more for and can understand Camilla’s claim might be correctly worded but factually incorrect.
      Best for all of us if we use facts, math and an accurate understanding of history when we form our opinions. Otherwise, we can seem foolish.

    • Elliot Dallavalle

      Holy Cow Mandy, you really added alot to the conversation. I don’t know where to begin.

    • Richard Olson

      You have to give Mandy credit for feeling no embarrassment for showing up late with stale talking points as if they were new the moment she said them. One has to wonder if her sentiments are really that contrived or if she just projects as cover for another phony identity.

      The original source for asserting that if two people use generally the same words over and over, they must be the same person was none other than William Schulz. Bill is also the originator of the standard of proof required for proving a false identity, namely, no phone number, no street address. It is Bill Schulz who started calling others names when he floundered for a coherent response. Now when liberals throw those same standards back at conservatives we have Mandy Peterson show up with the very same answers we gave which weren’t good enough for Bill, Camilla and Jerome at the time. But are somehow sterling when uttered by Mandy Peterson.

      • Mandy P.

        Richard, I suggest you give it the possibility that more people in this area of Minnesota agree with Bill and Jerome and Camilla than with you and your leftist posse. Now, if past patterns hold true to form, we can expect Brendan and Phaedrus and Frizzell to pop up here to give the appearance that your leftist notions represent a prepondrance of local opinion. NOT so, of course, but since you cannot win the hearts of people by preaching your radical ideology, a bit of fabrication on your part will be the message(s) of the day. My 7 and 9 and 12 year old children read your bombast and insults you come up with against your detractors. They have labeled you the crotchety old meanies club. I try to teach them not to say such things about people, but they throw back at me that I always encourage them to be truthful, so why would they see you as anyone nice or friendly, when your usual mehtods are hostility toward all who disagree with you?
        I can’t disagree with their conclusions.

        • Richard Olson

          Gee Mandy, why is your comment virtually word for word the same comment made by the person posing as Camilla Ryan a few weeks before the last election. You remember that election don’t you? The one my people won, the one your people lost?

          You and Camilla should try to get your story straight, or at least your usernames. By the way, Big Mouth Jerome the convicted liar still has not provided the proof of his statement. I guess you would say he must work 24-7 without access to a computer. What a bunch of losers.

        • Walt Henry

          Mandy, you are probably correct when you say a majority of people in your area agree with you. In the south, about 150 years ago, a majority of people believed in slavery as people with black skin were inferior to those with white skin. There are some in our great nation who still believe that is true. Not so many centuries ago men of God believed the earth to be flat and were willing to put to death anyone who thought otherwise.
          Being a majority doesn’t make something right. In our country it just means, unless prohibited by the Constitution, the majority gets to make the rules.
          It is a fact that a majority of Minnesotans voted for members of the DFL knowing they were also voting for an increase in their taxes. This is not the first time in recent history we have voted to raise our taxes happened. Heck, we even voted to change the Constitution of Minnesota to establish the Heritage Fund when the quality of our life was threatened by the budget cutting of conservatives. Mandy, these are facts. (You have noticed how these comments often turn into name calling and mud slinging. Maybe we could rise about that level if, when challenged, someone in your group could respond with something of a factual nature. You guys NEVER do and that makes me sad.)

        • Elliot Dallavalle

          Mandy – I assume then that you let your children read the comments by Jerome and Camilla also, you know being fair and all. I suppose they consider them in the “crotchety old meanies club.” But then again, you probably don’t want your children to grow up open minded do you? They might see the light some day and disappoint the crotchety old lady at home right? Can’t have that can we?

  • Elliot Dallavalle

    How ironic is this – the same day the “duo arrested for meth possession” was the last day we heard from Camilla and Jerome.

    • Elliot Dallavalle

      Oops – My mistake. Jerome responded after that came out. My bad! Sorry. Better get my facts straight first.

      • Richard Olson

        For once you’re wrong Elliot, they are both still here, just using different usernames. You would hide also if you said the stupid embarrassing stuff those two did. Sometimes even the village idiot hides from embarrassment.

  • Walt Henry

    Which method of inquiry do you think most home schoolers teach? The quick way–Begin with an opinion, make up something to support your opinion, look for sources that support your opinion, attack those with other opinions using your made up facts, consider your opinion to be correct and factual. OR the Scientific Method Ask yourself a question, do background research using unbiased sources for reference, construct a hypothesis (keep it quiet for nothing is proven yet), test your hypothesis by doing an experiment, analyze your data and draw a conclusion, share your results with others and ask for their criticisms, THEN make your opinion public.

  • crucified

    Larry, Are you a Secular Humanist or a Christian?

    • Walt Henry

      Merle, I realize by responding to your question I risk being drenched in a deluge of miss-applied Bible verses. Out of respect I will respond to your question this way-you and I both know the words of the path of Christ but we understand their meanings very differently. The power to open eyes and bring true meaning to those words rests in the Holy Spirit and I am not He.

      • crucified

        Larry, Are you a Secular Humanist or a Christian?

        • Walt Henry

          I Am as I have said I Am. Merle, you sound as those who were deceived when they questioned the Master. Just saying. :)

          • crucified

            Larry, I do not understand Liberal-anese. Which one are you? Secular Humanist or Christian.

          • Walt Henry

            Merle, you seem not to understand the answer Jesus gave when asked a similar question. (We are, after all, called to walk as the Teacher walked.) Your question confirms what some of us have known for a long time–it is possible for someone to know the words of Christ but have no clue as to their meaning.

    • Richard Olson

      Oh oh, next stop fantasy land, delusion, endless bible verses and “you’re not as holy as I am”.

      • Richard Olson

        Merle and I have something in common. Neither of us is a Christian, but I’m the one who’s honest about it.

      • crucified

        Richard, I realize that the Holy scriptures, to you, are akin to garlic to a vampire or kryptonite to Superman. There are not verying degrees of holiness, holiness is a gift from God given to those who’ve accepted His Sons sacrifice. You’re either holy as a result of sanctification, or you are unholy as a result of the fall.

        • Richard Olson

          One day you’re a capitalist, the next you’re a Christian. Which is it Merle, you can’t be both. Oh wait, I guess you can if you disregard everything Jesus said. What was it like when you gave away everything you owned to follow Jesus Merle? Was it difficult being without a car? How do you get your news without a television or radio. Weren’t you cold last winter when you gave your coat to a poor person?

          I do however admire your use of fictional characters to justify my lack of belief in a different fictional character. That was a good one. And what do you mean when you say “There are not verying degrees of holiness”? Of course there are…..You’ve told us countless times how you are much more holy than Larry, who is sort of like an “apprentice Christian”.

          • Richard Olson

            I should have used the word “demonstrate” rather than “justify” in the first sentence of my second paragraph. I think someone may have placed some “Kryptonite” under my keyboard.

          • crucified

            Richard, You must know something that I don’t; did Jesus tell “Me” to sell all my possessions?

          • crucified

            Richard you’re a liar! I’ve never called Larry a Christian of any kind.

        • Elliot Dallavalle

          Merle – Didn’t the Pope come out the other day and say something about the redemption of aethiests? That the right to do good is just not reserved for Christians. Something like even if you don’t believe in Christ you will still be redeemed. I forgot exactly what he said? Enlighten me.

          • Richard Olson

            Someone put Kryptonite under his cape.

          • Walt Henry

            Elliot–you are correct in your understanding of what the new Pope said however your argument will not convince certain members of the radicalized religious right for they believe this pope, or any pope for that matter, are not/have not been Christian.

          • crucified

            Elliot, Did I claim to be a disciple of a man from Rome wearing a funny hat?

  • Richard Olson

    Jesus told him, “If you want to be perfect,..( as in bring something to completion)
    go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” Matthew 19:21

    Seems pretty clear to me Merle.

    • crucified

      Jesus told “HIM”! Is that a universal command?

      • Richard Olson

        You know it is Merle. Unless you now want to tell us that your god has different rules for different people.

      • Walt Henry

        The conversation Richard mentioned could be as Merle suggests just a meanimgless conversation or it could be an inspired clue to the importamce of having no others before God, not even the gifts we’ve been given.

        • Richard Olson

          A person asked Jesus for directions/instructions and Jesus answered. I hardly think that answer was intended to be a meaningless quip. To say it was is to infer that Jesus thought it would be a good joke to misdirect this mans path to salvation.

  • Richard Olson

    You have to hand it to Merle. He’s like the King of Cafeteria Christians. Although “he” speaks “to” god personally, God did not “personally speak” to Merle and tell him to sell all his possessions. Therefore the above bible verse (Matthew 19:21) does not apply to Merle Hexum.

    That’s the wonderful thing about being a cafeteria Christian. There is always some lawyer like weasel word phony Christians can use to pretend to be Christians without fulfilling the requirements of actually being a Christian.

    Another example is the prohibitions mentioned in Leviticus. Cafeteria Christians can scream about the supposed prohibitions of homosexuals but invariability dredge up some excuse to disregard the other 34 prohibitions. Or put another way….”Leviticus applies to you queers but not to me because I’m a cafeteria Christian.” I wonder if there is such a thing as a “cafeteria homosexual”.

  • crucified

    It would be comical, if it wasn’t so sad, watching pseudo-intellectuals attempt to interpret scripture using their own reasoning and understanding (verses being taught by the Hoily Spirit).

    It’s quite a leap, even for you two, to suggest that my referring to a specific command given by Jesus to individual who loved wealth more than He loved God “to sell his possessions and give to the poor” was a meanimgless conversation or meaningless quip.

    If it was meant to be a universal command for all who claim to follow Jesus I can assume that Larry owns no possessions and lives under a bridge in a cardboard box somewhere and is using a public computer.

    • Richard Olson

      Good going Merle. I knew given enough time that you could come up with an interpretation that let you (personally) off the hook.
      I get it now, that verse doesn’t apply to you because “you aren’t rich enough”. I admire your weaselness.

    • Walt Henry

      Do I have possessions? Is not everything I “own” a gift from God? Am I not merely a steward of His gifts to be used for His purposes? Have we all not been advised part of what we owe goes to our government and the rest goes to God? What “belongs” for me? Do I have to worry about my survival more than the birds of the air? Will I, like the Pharoses, take my possession with me to the afterlife? Jesus was talking to the rich man’s heart about what he thought was most important. Priorities! That, my friend, is a universal truth.

      • crucified

        Larry, You can deal with Richard. It seems that his interpretation of the verse and your interpretation of it are far apart.

        Richard says: “What was it like when you gave away everything you owned to follow Jesus? Was it difficult being without a car? How do you get your news without a television or radio. Weren’t you cold last winter when you gave your coat to a poor person?”

        Larry says: “Jesus was talking to the rich man’s heart about what he thought was most important. Priorities! That, my friend, is a universal truth.”

        I agree with Larry on this one. Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

        • Walt Henry

          Merle, if you really understood the point of Jesus’s comment to the rich man you would not so closely guard your “stuff.” The heart of a true conservative is one devoted to “stuff guarding.”

          • crucified

            Larry, are you judging me? Yes, you are! You are judging (misjudging) my motives for being a conservative. As I’ve told R.O. before; I, as a low wage earner and married with children, do not need to guard my stuff. I actually get back more back than I pay in Federal income tax. A Flat Tax or The Fair Tax would actually cost me money. The current system is unfair, creates division, and encourages corruption. A more accurate statement than the one you made would be the following:

            Larry, if you really understood the heart of Jesus’s you would not so ambitiously seek to take other people’s “stuff.” The heart of a true liberal is one devoted to “stuff taking.”

    • Richard Olson

      Merle, I said just the opposite. Here is what’s really comical….I use my own reasoning to interpret, but you use instructions from the Holy Spirit. (sure you do) Some call that hearing voices. The reality is that you use your own reasoning to interpret what you think you hear from the Holy Spirit. The end result is that we both use our own reasoning….mine is based on logic and reason, but yours is based on superstition, magic, voices and hopeful wishes. In any case neither of us is a Christian.

      • crucified

        Corinthians 2:12 And we have received God’s Spirit (not the world’s spirit), so we can know the wonderful things God has freely given us. 13 When we tell you these things, we do not use words that come from human wisdom. Instead, we speak words given to us by the Spirit, using the Spirit’s words to explain spiritual truths. 14 But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means. 15 Those who are spiritual can evaluate all things, but they themselves cannot be evaluated by others. 16 For “Who can know the Lord’s thoughts? Who knows enough to teach him?” But we understand these things, for we have the mind of Christ.

        • Richard Olson

          Through the years the purveyors of Christianity have heard objections from those who studied Christianity and found glitches, inconsistencies and contradictions. To each of these they have developed specious verse answers which attempt to answer these objections. Usually with some variation on the theme that without faith you can not know the truth. Or you can not know until you believe.

          By the time the committee that wrote the bible met, enough specious verses where put in place to placate most dull witted skeptics…..these are the responses Merle draws upon today. He is satisfied because he is afraid to be curious. He must remain unquestioning unthinking and absolutely obedient to the cult which has twisted his mind to the point where he views those qualities as enviable. Like cult members everywhere he has been brain washed into believing he is not a cult member.

          It is actually quite entertaining to watch the contortions Christians will put themselves through to convince themselves that their beliefs are reasonable and realistic despite their foundation in fairytales and superstition.

          • crucified

            glitches, inconsistencies and contradictions?

          • Walt Henry

            We have travelled pretty far from the distortions and distractions of the original letter to the editor. I think part of the basis for the reasoning that leads her to write this letter is also the reason for the distortions and distractions Merle copies from his Bible. Both lack any sort of fundamental foundation in history.
            Richard, you used the word “cafeteria” to describe the picking and choosing of Bible passages so often favored by some. Your usage seems appropriate. There is little evidence the Bible was created to be used in this way but, as we see by the comments of some, is often used exactly like that. The books of the New Testament were selected as much in total as possible for the THEME they suggest not because a writing might contain an extra special “zinger salad” or a really good piece of beefy guilt inspiring hot dish. The Bible is NOT a collection of quotes as one might find on the internet. It is a book with a theme.
            Richard, consider the Council of Nicaea and the Creed it created. Consider the reason the Council was called. Consider the reasons the “other” 20 some gospels weren’t adopted into the Biblical Canon. Consider the first use of the name Christian seems to come from the people of Antioch who mocked the faithful for trying to be as “little Christs.” Do you think they were mocked for trying to live as Jesus taught or were they mocked for their public display? Did they just pick and choose His words from a cafeteria of contradictory sayings and irritate others by shouting at them when they walked by?
            If well-meaning people can be so wrong about the proper use of the Bible why would we consider anything they write to be accurate in any other context? That is to say, erase from your memory the inconsistencies you’ve learned and look closely again as if for the first time at the theme of Christ.

  • crucified

    Sorry Larry, I forgot that you were the moderator of these threads. It was Richard, not myself that quoted the scripture. It was Richard, not I, who twisted Jesus’ intent to mean that every Christian should sell all their possessions and live in a cardboard box.

    • Walt Henry

      (Richard writes Matt 19:21. Merle answers Cor. 2:12) Merle corrects me and says only Richard quoted Scripture. I wrote a response to one specifically about the other. C’mon guys are we doing the one person writing under a whole bunch of names thing? :):)
      And Merle, I didn’t realize you were in favor of the current size of the social safety net? I don’t remember you ever writing anything of that nature. In fact, I think you often take the opposite position. And lastly, I never suggested the conversation shouldn’t evolve–only commenting on what the common thread might be that gets us from there to here. Either I wrote my thought poorly or someone lacks a little in the power of discernment department. :)

  • Richard Olson

    Here‘s another one for you Merle, “And again I say to you that it is easier for a camel to enter the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God.” Matthew 19:24. That taken with the previous verse would certainly lead one to believe that wealthy capitalists are not on Gods favorite list.

    Now with your occupation of a money lender clerk, I can understand your reluctance to conform with the intent of these verses. Your very occupation fly’s in the face of the scriptures.
    I have not said you should be destitute, but if there are people known to you who are poorer than you they your next move is clear. And when you spout conservative capitalist claptrap like “ Larry, if you really understood the heart of Jesus’s you would not so ambitiously seek to take other people’s “stuff.” The heart of a true liberal is one devoted to “stuff taking.” it is clear you have absolutely no idea what the scriptures have to say about the accumulation of wealth. Conservatives love money more than anything they show that love when on an hourly basis they complain that someone is always trying to take their first love.

    • Walt Henry

      Richard, that’s why it is so hard for me to wear a label. Christianity is apolitical. It is neither conservative or liberal in the political sense of those words. There are liberals who are in favor of taking other people’s stuff. I’m not. The conversation about our commitment to each other and to the whole of society is too narrow. There are those who say we have too much taken from us already and yet the need for more is always there and it seems to have no solution. I’m just suggesting people be honest with their core values. If there’s is the desire to protect their stuff say so. If it is to take stuff from others so as to promote “fairness” say so. If it is to close one’s eyes and say people who have less than enough deserve to have less than enough say so. But don’t use the path of Christ as the means you justify your core values.

      • Richard Olson

        Larry, “taking peoples stuff “ is a smoke screen put in place by Merle to draw attention away from the issue of wealthy people gaining access to eternal life. Since Merle is a conservative money lender who loves money, this is an important issue to Merle and to watch the contorted thinking Merle put forth to glamorize the worship of money is proof.
        Since Merle is a conservative, he scans the bible looking for hints that God/Jesus were also conservatives. When someone shows him the opposite he simply re-interprets the proof so it no longer applies to him and says the other interpretation is faulty because the other person doesn’t hear the voices Merle does.

        In Merle’s mind he will always be right because he is convinced that God speaks to Merle Hexum and therefore endows Merle with special abilities others do not have. It never dawns on Merle that if God wanted some people to be super wealthy while other have nothing, the wealthy would not have to guard their money because it is god will that they have it. If it’s truly God will, who could take his stuff.

        Merle has no faith that god will protect his stuff….that’s also why he looks both ways before crossing the street.

  • crucified

    Larry, did I say or imply that I was in favor of the socialist government bondage net?

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