Posted by sametoyou (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 12:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mary, water under the bridge!!! Your candidate lost! Get over it!!

Posted by deborahrose (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 12:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You know, this controversy is getting very old. If you do a google search, you will find Barack Obama's birth certificate. He was born in Hawaii. As it happens, I was also born in Hawaii. The certified copy of his birth certificate that has been published looks just like the certified copy I received this summer, which I needed in order to get a passport. Barack Obama was born an American citizen. Get over it.

Posted by Mel (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 1:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As long as he is tall, dark, handsome, speaks well, & smiles, nothing else matters.

Posted by potatosup (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 1:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Please stop with this story in your head (maybe fed by FOX News) All of Obama's info has been shared over and over again. He's a natural born citizen. Maybe all those that continue to find imaginary flaws are afraid to admit that they are prejudice with their white hoods hiding in their closets. Are all these other excuses to bash him easier in public than admitting your bigotry?

Posted by JohnAdams (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 1:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This story has grown to where the media cannot continue to have a blackout on any topic that detracts from the myth that has been created about Obama. The truth is this issue started with McCain. As far back as last February you can find an article in the New York Times accusing McCain of not being a "natural born citizen". McCain then produced all of his birth records for review by the Senate and after review they declared that under the law McCain was a "natural born citizen". http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-sr5...

At the same time questions were being asked of Obama. The press then like now have a blackout on any topic that may be negative towards him. If you look at the link you will see Obama was present for the vote on McCain. Did Obama take the time to stand up and say,"Ladies and Gentlemen, I have been asked this same question and would like you to review all of my records so that this question can be answered before the election. As a Constitutional attorney I understand the crisis that would result from an ineligible candidate being elected."

Instead Obama produced a worthless piece of paper to websites like factcheck, fighthesmears, and others. The problem is that even if the CERTIFICATION of Live Birth is authentic, it is not evidence in Hawaii of where a child was born. A person cannot get a drivers license of a passport with what Obama produced. Here is what the State of Hawaii says about the difference between a "CERTIFICATION" versus a "CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH". The Certification is not good to prove where you are born and requires a person to sign a release and have the State produce a Certificate of Live Birth.
http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appfor...
"In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."

Posted by JohnAdams (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 1:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So at this point in time no one except for Obama and some of his family really know where he was born. His stubborn refusal to sign a release and pay $12.00 has created a national crisis. And please do not keep saying the State of Hawaii has confirmed he was born in Hawaii. They have not. In a carefully worded release all they have said is that they are holding his original birth certificate, which the State can only release if Obama signs a release and pays the $12.00.

For example, Obama's half sister was born in Indonesia. The laws in Hawaii at the time allowed a Hawaiian citizen to register that birth in Hawaii within one year of the birth. So Obama's parents registered his sisters birth in Hawaii, just like Obama. His sister can produce a Certification of Live Birth that would look almost identical to Obama's. Does that prove she was born in Hawaii? No.

All of the hospitals at the time would send a list of all birth registrations to the local papers to be issued in the local paper.

So why is it important to know where Obama was born? The laws at the time, and that would still apply to Obama, are such that if he was born in a foreign country he would not be a "natural born citizen". That would be due to the fact that his mother was a US citizen, his father a foreign national. Obama's mother would have had to live in the US for five years after the age of 14. She was several months short of that when Obama was born. So until Obama signs a release and pays the $12.00 there is only speculation because the Certification of Live Birth produced by Obama does not prove that he was born in Hawaii.

There are also the questions of whether Obama gave his US citizenship up in Indonesia, how he came to travel to Pakistan in 1981 when it was a no fly zone for US citizens. There is also the question whether Obama registered at colleges as an Indonesian citizen.

So Obama and the DNC have brought this on themselves. This has been an issue since at least last February. Obama and his legal team have sealed all of his records. Three law firms showed up for Obama and the DNC in the Berg case to fight the case on the technical ground that a citizen cannot ask a candidate this question. To date Obama has spent over $800.000.00 to protect his past and the production of a $12.00 birth certificate.

There are now upwards of 30 law suits filed around the country, five to the Supreme Court. One filed in California Sacramento Superior Court Case 80000096 by Alan Keyes the Independent Party candidate that was on the ballot. As he was on the ballot he will not suffer the technical challenge of lack of standing.

Posted by earlhofert (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 1:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have a feeling that these same people who are all upset about Obama's birth certificate are the same folks who defended Bush's military records...instant karma!

Posted by bornhere (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 1:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mary in Henning, Get over it! McSame lost and Obama won. There is nothing you can do about it now. Your letter only shows that you can not accept reality.

Posted by deborahrose (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 2:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Funny how the certificate I received, which looks like Barack Obamas, was considered good enough to get a passport. BTW, I was born in Hawaii when it was a territory, not a state, and also when my father was in the military. Although I did not support McCain, I thought the argument that he was not a natural born American citizen because he was born in Panama were bogus too.

Posted by theffler (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 2:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The Supreme Court is not scheduled to decide Obama’s Citizenship, but his eligibility to hold the office of the President of the US.

The US Constitution states “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President”. Obama is not qualified to hold the office of the President of the US because he is NOT a natural born Citizen according to the Constitution. Whether he was born in Hawaii or not, his biological father was from Kenya, giving Obama dual citizenship (and loyalties) at birth, which, according to the framers of the Constitution, who didn't even consider themselves "natural born Citizens" (being born on US soil by two parents who were Both born on US soil). Obama is no doubt a US Citizen, even a born Citizen, but NOT a natural born Citizen, according to the US Constitution.

It is the Supreme Court's job to uphold the Laws of the US Constitution. No one can deny that Obama's father was not born on US soil and no one can deny that Obama is not 200+ years old (born at the time of the adoption of the Constitution). These facts alone disqualify Obama to hold the office of the President of the United States of America.

According to Title 28, Chapter I, Part 453 of the United States Code, each Supreme Court Justice takes the following oath:

"I, [NAME], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will administer justice without respect to persons, and do equal right to the poor and to the rich, and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all the duties incumbent upon me as [TITLE] under the Constitution and laws of the United States. So help me God."

The Supreme Court is obligated, by sworn oath, to administer justice without respect to persons; and the framers of the Constitution were very clear regarding who is eligible to hold the highest office in the US. This cannot be taken lightly or ignored. If we ignore this, why follow any Constitutional Law? Think of the butterfly effect – disregard this law and eventually the whole Constitution will be ignored and anything goes in America. There is no compromising just to keep the masses happy.

If we do not abide by Constitutional Law, then how is our country, which has always been based on upholding, protecting and defending the Constitution at all cost, ever to survive?

Posted by smrstrauss (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 2:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dear JohnAdams

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appfor...

is a special program of the Hawaii govenment granting land to people who can prove that their RACE is Hawaiian. For this one program alone you need more than a certification of live birth, because you have to prove your ethnic background.

For everything else a Hawaii COLB is sufficient, and yes you can use it to get a passport. And, no, you cannot get a Hawaii COLB that says "born in Hawaii" if you were born in Kenya. If you were born in Kenya, you can get a Hawaii COLB, but the parents do have to fill in a form that asks "place of birth," and if they say "Kenya," then the COLB says it too.

Get over it. The Hawaii document that Obama posted has NOT been forged, and it is a legal document. Moreover, the idea that Obama's mother traveled to Kenya in the ninth month of pregnancy in 1961 (when you had to get a Yellow Fever shot) and then came back and lied to get a Hawaii COLB that says "born in Hawaii" is pretty crazy.

I think this guy says it better than I can:

This fellow puts it better than I can:

A posting from Andrew Walden, publisher of the Hawaii Free Press, a right-wing blog based in Hawaii.

http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/main/Arti...

Barack Obama: Born in Hawai`i
by Andrew Walden
|
It is time to focus on REAL issues, not imaginary ones.

A fairly impressive internet industry has sprung up claiming that Obama was born in either Kenya or Indonesia. This is nonsense, which distracts from the broadly unexplored story of Obama's upbringing. This kind of nonsense has emerged because the McCain campaign chose not to raise the many questions about Barack Obama's numerous hard-left alliances. Barack Obama was born in Hawai`i, August 4, 1961 at Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu.

Obama's birth certificate posted online is exactly the same birth certificate everybody in Hawai`i gets from the State Department of Health. It is not forged. There is nothing unusual about the design or the texture. In addition to the birth certificate, the August 13, 1961 Honolulu Advertiser also carries an announcement of Obama's birth. The Honolulu Star-Bulletin also carries the same announcement. Both papers require submission of a copy of the birth certificate to print a birth announcement.

End Quote

Posted by ANonnyMoose (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 3:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Whether he was born in Hawaii or not, his biological father was from Kenya, giving Obama dual citizenship (and loyalties) at birth, which, according to the framers of the Constitution, who didn't even consider themselves 'natural born Citizens' (being born on US soil by two parents who were Both born on US soil). Obama is no doubt a US Citizen, even a born Citizen, but NOT a natural born Citizen, according to the US Constitution."

This is just plain nonsense, easily refuted by anyone who paid attention in high school civics class. According to the Fourteenth Amendment, if you are born in the United States, you are an American citizen, even if neither of your parents is American. Obama was born in Hawaii; therefore he has been eligible to serve as President ever since he turned 35 years of age. End of discussion.

Posted by bornhere (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 3:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why do people here feel the need to defend Obama? He was born in the US and he has been elected as our next president. The Right Wing Whiners are only tying to stir the pot and they will continue to do the same for the next 8 years.

Posted by laraine (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 3:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey, Mary, better get our your aluminum foil hat. You'll be needing it a lot in the next 8 years. My personal conspiracy theory is that any and all of the Obama fears and smears are funded by racists. And don't trot out Alan Keyes: he's a tool. Bottom line--53% of us love our country and want to get it back.

Posted by dzdork (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 3:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ANonnyMoose,

This case is not about whether or not Obama is a US Citizen, but a Natural Born Citizen as defined by the Constitution. The framers only allowed Citizens to become President, if they were Citizens during the time when the Constitution was adopted, everyone else had to be a Natural Born Citizen.

The Constitution says:

"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Posted by deborahrose (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 3:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As I understand it, it's highly unlikely that the Supreme Court will even agree to hear the case, but if they do, so be it. At least this nonsense can be put to rest for good.

Posted by potatosup (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 4:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So this all lies on the definition of a natural born citizen. He clearly was NATURALLY BORN in HAWAII, a state of the UNITED STATES. What's to argue about? This should all be dropped. He is already our President-Elect and I'm sure this was all worked out when he filed to run for the presidency 2 + years ago. Face reality people. In January he will be our president by vote of the people. Arguing with what is will only make you a crazy person!

Posted by bigkahunaburger (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 4:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This woman is out of her mind and doomed to 4 years of self-inflicted misery and paranoia. It makes me laugh.

Posted by bigkahunaburger (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 4:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I changed my mind, Mary has finally convinced me. Where can I vote for the other guy?

Posted by JohnAdams (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 5:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dear smrstrauss,

The laws were changed in Hawaii in or about 1971 so that anyone born after that can use a COLB. Before that a Hawaiian resident could come back to Hawaii and register a child's birth within a year. That is what Obama's parents did with his half-sister that was born in Indonesia. Again, does that prove his half-sister was born in Hawaii? So anyone born before 1971 will need to produce the Certificate of Live Birth to show where they were actually born, and not the Certification of Live Birth.

The article you cited is more tripe about what officials in Hawaii have said. To this date there is no one that has said Obama was born in Hawaii. Read the articles carefully. All they say is that they are holding Obama's original birth certificate, which they cannot release under Hawaiian law without a release and $12.00 from Mr. Obama.

So again, Obama could have a Certificate of Live Birth issued if he signed a release and paid $12.00. Why has he refused to do that? Why has he had all of his college and bar records sealed? Why has he paid over $800,000.00 to seal and hide his past rather than produce a legitimate $12.00 birth certificate.

Is this what he means when Obama says his administration is going to be open and transparent?

Posted by JohnAdams (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 6:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There is no proof that Obama was born in Hawaii. That would require Obama to sign a release and pay the $12.00 and produce a certified copy of his birth certificate. The State of Hawaii has kindly announced that they are holding it, but cannot release it without Obama's release.

If Obama was born anywhere but in US territory the laws at the time required his mother to have lived in the US for five years past her 14th birthday. She was several months short of that when Obama was born. So just because his mother was a US citizen does not confer "natural born" status on Obama, that would require knowledge of where he was born which we do not have presently.

There are arguments that because Obama had duel citizenship at birth that he is not a "natural born citizen".

Regardless, this should have been resolved openly and transparently, as the Obama team is now saying, well before the election. This has been an issue since at least February of this year. For Obama to seal all of the pertinent records and then produce a worthless document to websites like factcheck is not acceptable.

Posted by smrstrauss (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 7:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Re: "There is no proof that Obama was born in Hawaii. That would require Obama to sign a release and pay the $12.00 and produce a certified copy of his birth certificate. The State of Hawaii has kindly announced that they are holding it, but cannot release it without Obama's release."

It would be nice if someone who is interested in this subject did a little research. The charge for obtaining an official birth record from Hawaii is $10 a copy., but that is for the Certification of Live Birth.

Only for the certification of live birth. That is all you can get. That is the official document they issue. It IS a birth certificate (look up birth certificate in any dictionary, and it usually just says "official birth document, listing time of birth, location - etc.").

The Certification of Live Birth is the only document that is issued. There is no provision for applying for an original birth certificate or a hospital record.

The COLB IS the official document. It is used for obtaining drivers licenses and passports. Just about the only thing that it cannot be used for is a special program to give land to persons of Hawaiian racial background ,which requires a special birth document, but everyone else gets a COLB (and a lot of other states call their birth certificates COLBs too).

Since the Hawaii COLB is the official document, and since there is no proof that there has been a lie from the officials that confirm it, it is proof that Obama was born in Hawaii. The theory that his mother went to Kenya in the ninth month of pregnancy in 1961 (when you had to get a yellow fever shot) is simply crazy.

This fellow puts it better than I can:

A posting from Andrew Walden, publisher of the Hawaii Free Press, a right-wing blog based in Hawaii.

http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/main/Arti...

Barack Obama: Born in Hawai`i
by Andrew Walden
|
It is time to focus on REAL issues, not imaginary ones.

A fairly impressive internet industry has sprung up claiming that Obama was born in either Kenya or Indonesia. This is nonsense, which distracts from the broadly unexplored story of Obama's upbringing. This kind of nonsense has emerged because the McCain campaign chose not to raise the many questions about Barack Obama's numerous hard-left alliances. Barack Obama was born in Hawai`i, August 4, 1961 at Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu.

Obama's birth certificate posted online is exactly the same birth certificate everybody in Hawai`i gets from the State Department of Health. It is not forged. There is nothing unusual about the design or the texture. In addition to the birth certificate, the August 13, 1961 Honolulu Advertiser also carries an announcement of Obama's birth. The Honolulu Star-Bulletin also carries the same announcement. Both papers require submission of a copy of the birth certificate to print a birth announcement.

Posted by globalcooling (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 8:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We do know his pastor J. Wright hates America, as well as his friend Father F. He's buddies with terrorists (W. Ayers) and he refuses to salute the US flag. He has accused our soldiers of bombing civilians and air-raiding innocent villages. He says he will meet with the Iranian dictator, Chavez and Castro with no preconditions. Now he will bring in the most corrupt President in our history and his spouse as Sec. of State. New world order? You ain't seen nothing yet. America, you voted this empty suite in. His marching orders will come from the kook fringe far left america haters; Sorous, Gore, Moore, Oprah, Kennedy, Pelosi, Durbin, Frank and John Kerry (who served in Viet Nam BTW). America, you voted this guy in. We get what we deserve.

Posted by JohnAdams (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 8:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry, the laws at the time in Hawaii allowed for families to register the birth of their children born abroad within one year of their birth. Obama's parents did that for his half-sister. She can produce an almost identical Certification of Live Birth as Obama. Does that prove that she was born in Hawaii.

The article you cite is just more tripe. The announcements in the papers were automatic for all birth certificates issued.

So, if all the State of Hawaii issues is Certifications of Live Birth I give you once more:
http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appfor...

"In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."

So if all that is available is the Certification of Live Birth why does this site say to submit the Certificate of Live Birth? The additional certification that is discussed above is that a Certification of Live Birth is not proof of where you were actually born. Particularly in regards to the law I discussed that allowed parents to register foreign born children which was changed in 1971 or 72.

As to the bogus articles from the Hawaii papers show me one article where it actually says from a State Official that says,"We hereby certify that Obama was born in Hawaii." Any luck? Nope, only mushy written statements that they are holding the original birth certificate that imply he was born in Hawaii. Again, Obama could sign a release and produce a Certificate of Live Birth for $10.00 to $14.00. What precisely is your objection to require Obama to produce the certified copy of the original?

Posted by smrstrauss (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 8:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Re: "There is no proof that Obama was born in Hawaii. That would require Obama to sign a release and pay the $12.00 and produce a certified copy of his birth certificate. The State of Hawaii has kindly announced that they are holding it, but cannot release it without Obama's release."

It would be nice if someone who is interested in this subject did a little research. The charge for obtaining an official birth record from Hawaii is $10 a copy., but that is for the Certification of Live Birth.

Only for the certification of live birth. That is all you can get. That is the official document they issue. It IS a birth certificate (look up birth certificate in any dictionary, and it usually just says "official birth document, listing time of birth, location - etc.").

The Certification of Live Birth is the only document that is issued. There is no provision for applying for an original birth certificate or a hospital record.

The COLB IS the official document. It is used for obtaining drivers licenses and passports. Just about the only thing that it cannot be used for is a special program to give land to persons of Hawaiian racial background ,which requires a special birth document, but everyone else gets a COLB (and a lot of other states call their birth certificates COLBs too).

Since the Hawaii COLB is the official document, and since there is no proof that there has been a lie from the officials that confirm it, it is proof that Obama was born in Hawaii. The theory that his mother went to Kenya in the ninth month of pregnancy in 1961 (when you had to get a yellow fever shot) is simply crazy.

Let me add, that to get a birth document in Hawaii, you go to this site and fill in this form

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/p...

And you get a Certification of Live Birth, which is all that Hawaii issues.

Posted by smrstrauss (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 8:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Re: The laws were changed in Hawaii in or about 1971 so that anyone born after that can use a COLB. Before that a Hawaiian resident could come back to Hawaii and register a child's birth within a year. That is what Obama's parents did with his half-sister that was born in Indonesia.

Yes, you can get a COLB in Hawaii for a child that was not born in Hawaii. Yes, Obama's sister has a Hawaii COLB. Sorry, this does not help you at all.

What you cannot get in Hawaii (or in any other state, so far as I know) is a COLB that says "born in Hawaii" (or born in that state) if the child was NOT born in that location. So, if you were thinking "mama and papa Obama came back to Hawaii from Kenya and registered baby in Hawaii and got a COLB and got a COLB that say 'born in Hawaii,'" boy are you ever wrong.

The form they must fill in has a location of birth. If they did not lie (and why should they have lied?) and filled in the location correctly and it was Kenya, then the COLB would have said "born in Kenya."

But Obama's COLB says "born in Hawaii." So either they were lying, or he was born in Hawaii. Of course, if the form was filled in by the Hawaii hospital, they wouldn't even have to state the location of birth, the hospital would fill it in.

Obama's sister was born in Indonesia. Her Hawaii COLB says location of birth Indonesia (or Jakarta Indonesia, or whereever in Indonesia it was).

Or, perhaps you are thinking that sometime between 1961 and 2008 Obama got to the officials in Hawaii with $$$ and got them to change the documents in the official files? If so, it is the only explanation other than the simple fact that Obama was born in Hawaii.

Posted by smrstrauss (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 9:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Re: “All they say is that they are holding Obama's original birth certificate, which they cannot release under Hawaiian law without a release and $12.00 from Mr. Obama.”

You got the $12 wrong. The money (actually it is $10 as noted earlier) is for the COLB. The COLB is all that they release.

They never said that they would release the original birth certificate to anyone. They did not even say that they would release the original birth certificate to Obama, which is part of the problem, the right wing blogs ask him to post it, and we do not even know that he can. The officials in Hawaii cannot release the COLB to anyone other than Obama’s family, not even with a release. Obama can release the COLB, of course, and you will find it on FactCheck and PoliFact.

Now as to what the officials said. They said that they were holding his original birth certificate. From this you assume that that original birth certificate could be a Kenyan birth certificate? Whow, what a leap of faith!! Yet it is completely illogical.

Why? Because IF that were true, a Kenyan birth certificate in the Hawaii files, it would have been in violation of Hawaii law to issue a COLB that says “born in Hawaii” if he was born in Kenya. Hawaii can only issue a COLB that says “born in Hawaii” to someone who was born in Hawaii. As we know that Obama’s COLB says “born in Hawaii.” The original birth certificate cannot be from anywhere else than Hawaii.

Posted by bornhere (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 9:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

globalcooling, you really need to get over you campaign of hate.

Posted by globalcooling (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 11:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Does the name Jeremiah Wright mean anything to you Obama lovers! Obama called this hate monger his spiritual mentor! He said we deserved 911!! The hate spews from the left. You are in denial. True Americans reject people who teach and practice hate such as Wright.

Posted by ANonnyMoose (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 11:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dzdork,

Contrary to your assertion, nowhere in the Constitution is the term "natural born citizen" defined. The matter has never even been specifically clarified by the Supreme Court. The closest thing we have is the definition of citizenship as set forth in the Fourteenth Amendment, which provides, in part, that a person born in the United States, regardless of his or her parents' citizenship, is an American citizen. Because the term is not further defined, there is no footing upon which anyone can claim that a person born in the U.S. is NOT a "natural born citizen". There is simply no legal basis upon which one can argue against Obama's eligibility for the Presidency based on citizen status.

Posted by globalcooling (anonymous) on December 6, 2008 at 12:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BARAK HUSSEIN NEEDS TO PRODUCE THE vault copy of his birth certificate. Case solved. The DNC would figure some way to produce a fake copy. Why else has it taken this long to resolve. Obama went to school in Indonesia. His parents had to forfeit his citizenship to do this. You cannot be duel and a U.S. citizen at the same time. Once again the judges trample on our Constitution.

Posted by DogLover (anonymous) on December 6, 2008 at 1:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hmmmm.... I was born here, but my ancestors were from all over, as I'm sure is the case with most all of you. Funny that a country that has almost all former imagrants, would be so combative about a president elects background. SO WHAT!!!! If the man was approved to run, was voted into office by all citizens and can do the job... does it really matter where his mom and dad come form???

Get over it. He's your new president! Accept it or move out.

Posted by mgdbottled (anonymous) on December 6, 2008 at 8:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow!! The appears to be a whole lot of conservatives here that want to see Joe Biden President. Read the 20th Amendment. Joe would be the next president if Barack somehow became unqualified. Joe was my favorite. Barack was my second choice. I'm happy with Barack, but I'll take Joe too. You guys are a real trip.

Posted by pilsnerurquel (anonymous) on December 6, 2008 at 8:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is hilarious. The right wing nutjobs are out in full force. I'll keep reading this thread soley for it's entertainment purposes.

Posted by 89Heritage (anonymous) on December 6, 2008 at 8:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You libs are a real trip, by the way nothing else matters once you spot something thats shinny. Alot of people in this country have questions & They have a right to the honest answers. Just as you would have that right. What are you libs and obama afraid of finding? These are simple things to do. Open up his history. If he wanted this behind him, you would think he would be willing to cough up everything. Remember. Most of America never even heard of this guy 2 years ago. What little I do know about him scares me. To many bad ties with people, To many dark secrets about his past, his birth, ect.. If he's not willing to get everything out in the open and ease the countries minds a little, than why should I trust him?

Posted by earlhofert (anonymous) on December 6, 2008 at 9:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Look - I really don't care. You whiners can keep on whining about something that's already been taken to court in August 2008 by Philip Berg, and thrown out. You nuts couldn't keep him from being elected by lying about his religion or his former associates, and this is the last thing you have left. Good luck. Eventually you're gonna feel really silly keeping this discussion going.

Posted by bornhere (anonymous) on December 6, 2008 at 12:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Globecooler, Get Over Yourself! Obama won and there is Nothing you can do about it except continue to whine about it on this forum. Get with the program or move up to Canada or something.

Posted by ThePuffmunke (anonymous) on December 6, 2008 at 12:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I wouldn't count on that. If they don't feel silly at this point it appears unlikely that they will ever accept or acknowledge the idiocy of this argument.

Posted by otterfan (anonymous) on December 6, 2008 at 1:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

2 Words: OBAMA NATION

Posted by JohnAdams (anonymous) on December 6, 2008 at 2:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

smrstrauss

I will try and clarify this one more time for you. Here is a pamphlet of information prepared by the State of Hawaii that actually has the request for a birth certificate form filled out on how to obtain a "Certificate of Live Birth". It also discusses the short form version or Certification of Live Birth that Obama produced and why it is not valid for certain purposes. The question remains why Obama refuses to pay the, yes $10.00 to end this debacle.

Please forward this on to Mr. Obama as he seems to be unable to figure how to fill this form out and produce a the proper document:
http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/Loaa%2...

The pertinent pages are 7 to 9.

Posted by globalcooling (anonymous) on December 6, 2008 at 6:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

3 Words: Barak HUSSEIN Obama

Posted by smrstrauss (anonymous) on December 6, 2008 at 7:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Re: Here is a pamphlet of information prepared by the State of Hawaii that actually has the request for a birth certificate form filled out on how to obtain a "Certificate of Live Birth".

I will repeat that the DHHL is a special program for racial Hawaiians. That is why you need a special certificate for that. The DHHL is the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands. In this case "Hawaiian" does not mean all the people who are citizens of Hawaii. It means native Hawaiians as in the sense of Native Americans.

Here's a quote from DHHL information booklet:

Welcome to the Hawaiian home lands program. The program
has its roots in the Hawaiian Homes Commission Act of 1920, as amended. It provides native Hawaiians with several benefits that we hope will assist you and your ‘ohana for generations to come.

And here is more from a description of the law enabling DHHL.

"The legal basis for the establishment of the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands (DHHL) is the Hawaiian Homes Commission Act, 1920, as amended (HHCA). Passed by Congress and signed into law by President Warren Harding on July 9, 1921 (chapter 42, 42 Stat. 108), the HHCA provides for the rehabilitation of the native Hawaiian people through a government-sponsored homesteading program. Native Hawaiians are defined as individuals having at least 50 percent Hawaiian blood."

Does Obama have at least 50% Hawaiian blood? Is he trying to show that he has at least 50% Hawaiian blood?

So, you and others who read this may well ask why you are continuing to cite a special program that has nothing to do with Obama and is the ONLY exception to the rule that a Certification of Live Birth is the official birth document issued by the state of Hawaii.

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Posted by smrstrauss (anonymous) on December 6, 2008 at 7:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here is what the DHHL says is required to apply for the program:

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To be eligible to apply for a Hawaiian home lands homestead lease, you must meet two requirements:

* You must be at least 18 years of age; and
* You must be a native Hawaiian, defined as "any descendant of not less than one-half part of the blood of the races inhabiting the Hawaiian Islands previous to 1778." This means, you must have a blood quantum of at least 50 percent Hawaiian. This requirement remains unchanged since the HHCA's passage in 1921.

Tracing Your Genealogy

The general rule of thumb in determining 50 percent blood quantum is to submit enough documentation tracing your genealogy to your full Hawaiian ancestor(s). Some applicants need only go back one or two generations - that is, to their grandparents.

Others may need to go back further, gathering pieces of information which eventually grow into a large family tree with roots beginning with full Hawaiian ancestors.

However, before starting your search for acceptable documents, kuka, or consult with your ohana. They are an invaluable source of information. Once you've "talked story" you should be better prepared to begin gathering the documentation needed to show eligibility for the program.

There are two categories of documents used in determining eligibility: primary and secondary.

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Posted by smrstrauss (anonymous) on December 6, 2008 at 8 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Primary Documents

The primary documents used to show you are of age and a qualified native Hawaiian are:

* A certified copy of Certificate of Birth;
* A certified copy of Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, including testimonies; or
* A certified copy of Certificate of Delayed Birth.

You will need the certified birth certificates for:

* Yourself
* Your biological father; and
* Your biological mother

The state Department of Health, (DOH), Vital Records Section, records documents by island and district (geographically) and by the date of the event (chronologically).

If your biological parents' documents don't clearly prove that you have at least 50 percent Hawaiian ancestry, you will also need certified birth certificates for:

* Your biological father's parents; and
* Your biological mother's parents.

In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.

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Posted by smrstrauss (anonymous) on December 6, 2008 at 8:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Now go to the Hawaiian department of health and search for "Birth Certificate" (http://hawaii.gov/health/search/index_ht...)

The result is ten entries. The first of these includes a link to a PDF document that applies for a Certified Copy of a Birth Record, which costs $10.

See:

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/p...

As you can see, there is nothing on the form that distinguishes between a certification of live birth or a certificate of live birth, and if you search and search, you still get only one form that lets you apply for a birth certificate, and this is the only one.

If you fill out that form and send it in with $10, what you get back is the Certification of Live Birth.

If you go to the Hawaii Department of Health site (http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/v...) and search for "certificate of live birth," you will not find anything. Same for "certificate of birth."

All searches for Birth certificate lead to on application form for a document that costs $10, and the result of applying for that form, the officials in Hawaii have said repeatedly, is that you get a certification of live birth.

However, let us suppose that there is another document called the "Complete and Thorough Certification of Live Birth" (CTCLB) that includes more information that the short form COLB. If such a thing existed, would it show anything different from the COLB in terms of WHERE Obama was born?

How could it? The COLB says that Obama was born in Hawaii, if there was another document in the files, say the CTCLB, it must also show that Obama was born in Hawaii, or the officials who said that they saw his birth records and used them to confirm that he was born in Hawaii would be lying or deliberately misleading. Why should they do that? They are not Democrats, remember.

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Posted by smrstrauss (anonymous) on December 6, 2008 at 8:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Under Hawaii law you can get a birth document (in all cases a COLB) for a child that was not born in Hawaii, but you cannot get a COLB that says "born in Hawaii" unless she or he were born in Hawaii.

Obama's COLB, which is a perfectly legal document despite being printed on a laser printer, says that he was born in Hawaii. Thus either the officials are lying now, or the parents lied as to the location of his birth when they registered his birth. But why should they have lied in 1961 if he was born in Kenya? Did they think that he would be elected president in 2008?

Of course, for Obama to have been born in Kenya requires his mother to have traveled to Kenya in the ninth month of pregancy, which is pretty rare now and was even more rare in 1961 (Kennedy was still alive. Computers used vacuum tubes. There were no direct flights from Hawaii to Africa in those days, so it was long and difficult trip, and it required a Yellow Fever shot.

Posted by smrstrauss (anonymous) on December 6, 2008 at 8:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Re: "Whether he was born in Hawaii or not, his biological father was from Kenya, giving Obama dual citizenship (and loyalties) at birth, which, according to the framers of the Constitution, who didn't even consider themselves 'natural born Citizens' (being born on US soil by two parents who were Both born on US soil). Obama is no doubt a US Citizen, even a born Citizen, but NOT a natural born Citizen, according to the US Constitution."

This is what you believe. But unless the Supreme Court rules on this case, and rules the way you want (which is very unlikely), it is not the law.

The Constitution does not say "no persons with dual nationality can be president" so, unless the Supreme Court rules to the contrary, the vast majority of American citizens (including McCain for one) will accept that he is president, because is is a natural born citizen according to the usual definition of the term (born in the USA) and older than 35.

Posted by JohnAdams (anonymous) on December 6, 2008 at 9:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You continue to miss the point. The cites to the Hawaiian program say that there is a Certificate of Live Birth available. People have a choice. They can get the short form Certification version or the long form Certificate version. THEY SHOW A PICTURE OF WHAT A CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH WILL LOOK LIKE. COMPARE IT TO WHAT OBAMA HAS PRODUCED. ANY SIMILIARITES? THE CERTIFICATE INCLUDES THE NAME OF THE HOSPITAL, THE NAME OF THE DOCTORS IN THE DELIVERY ROOM.

So if you want to continue to delude yourself that what Obama produced is evidence of where he was born then you can continue to do so. For others that want direct evidence of the blessed event will require Obama to fill out the form and obtain the Certificate of Live Birth that is available for $10.00.

At some point a court or the electoral college is going to require Obama to produce the evidence that he meets the "natural born citizen" test. I hope he is eligible. My only problem with this is that it should have been done before the election. The longer Obama tries to dodge this the worse it will be for him. Spending hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to hide information is not what is needed. Obama should take the opportunity to produce his records to the SC and let them review them and issue a ruling. Stop the hiding and come out from behind the curtain so that this mess created by Obama and the DNC can be put behind us.

My bet is that there will be a first in the White House, only it will be Hillary, just as she planned.

Posted by Beckwith (anonymous) on December 7, 2008 at 7:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Obama has lived for 48 years without leaving any footprints -- none! There is no Obama documentation -- no records -- no paper trail -- none -- this can't be an accident.

Original, vault copy birth certificate -- Not released
Certificate of Live Birth -- Released -- Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license -- Not released
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license -- Not released
Soetoro adoption records -- Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School School application -- Released
Punahou School records -- Not released
Selective Service Registration -- Released -- Counterfeit
Occidental College records -- Not released
Passport (Pakistan) -- Not released
Columbia College records -- Not released
Columbia thesis -- Not released
Harvard College records -- Not released
Harvard Law Review articles -- None (maybe 1, unsigned?)
Baptism certificate -- None
Medical records -- Not released
Law practice client list -- Not released
Illinois State Senate records -- None
Illinois State Senate schedule -- Lost
University of Chicago syllabuses -- None
University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None

Posted by earlhofert (anonymous) on December 7, 2008 at 9:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is downright hilarious - I guess the tinfoil hat is on the other head now...

Posted by bornhere (anonymous) on December 7, 2008 at 2:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"3 Words: Barak HUSSEIN Obama"

globecooler, How would that be any different than your mother naming you ADOLF? Would that equate you to Adolf Hitler? Your logic and whining is incredibly stupid! You display more hate on this forum than anyone else on the internet. Get a grip of yourself!

BTW, you might want to spell Barack correctly. He will be your president for the next 4 to 8 years. How interesting that you know how to spell Hussein. ;)

Posted by tippy98c (Aaron Schultz) on December 7, 2008 at 2:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Do you have to be a US citizen to serve in the senate?

Posted by JohnAdams (anonymous) on December 7, 2008 at 3:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To Tippy: There are different levels of citizenship that apply. If you are a "naturalized" citizen, say you immigrated here, then you can serve as a State Senator, US Senator or Gobernator like Arnie. The highest standard is the "natural born citizen" standard in the Constitution to serve as President.

So if Obama is determined to be a "naturalized" citizen, then he would be ineligible for the office of the President, but he could have continued to serve in the Senate if he had not given up his seat.

Posted by globalcooling (anonymous) on December 7, 2008 at 8:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Borner: You may want to get a grip of what the next 4 years will be like under Barak. Slashing of the military, surrender in Iraq, meet with our enemies unconditionally, major social changes which include re-distributing wealth, i.e. communism. He has proclaimed all of these things during the campaign. BTW, if Mommy named me Adolf, the name would be changed immediately. Pretty simple, huh? Old Barak HUSSEIN must be pretty proud of his given name to keep it. You are the person who spews hate on this forum, obviously you are uncomfortable with conservative opinions formed from such great leaders as Reagan, Lincoln, Bush, Thomas, Bork and Buckley. I trust you will be banned under the spirit of the new "fairness doctrine."

Posted by bornhere (anonymous) on December 7, 2008 at 10:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Globecooler, Your rantings are a hoot! I could comment on your above post but what would be the point? You post uniformed things endlessly day after day after day.

"I trust you will be banned under the spirit of the new "fairness doctrine.""

Thanks for the laughs and have a very Merry Christmas Globecooler and don't get caught under the mistletoe!

Posted by AmyO (anonymous) on December 8, 2008 at 9:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I would like Mr. Obama to prove that he was even born on this planet. For all we know he's an alien born in some distant galaxy. I mean how much do we really know about this guy? And think about it, his good looks are pretty much off the charts (especially compared to other politicians), his intelligence is basically unparalleled (again, especially compared to other politicians), and his oratory skills are essentially super-human. Did we just elect Clark Kent? Now if only aliens weren't susceptible to nicotine addiction.

Posted by smrstrauss (anonymous) on December 8, 2008 at 9:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This just in:

Monday 10:47 am

WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court has turned down an emergency appeal from a New Jersey man who says President-elect Barack Obama is ineligible to be president because he was a British subject at birth.

The court did not comment on its order Monday rejecting the call by Leo Donofrio of East Brunswick, N.J., to intervene in the presidential election. Donofrio says that since Obama had dual nationality at birth — his mother was American and his Kenyan father at the time was a British subject — he cannot possibly be a "natural born citizen," one of the requirements the Constitution lists for eligibility to be president.

Donofrio also contends that two other candidates, Republican John McCain and Socialist Workers candidate Roger Calero, also are not natural-born citizens and thus ineligible to be president.

At least one other appeal over Obama's citizenship remains at the court. Philip J. Berg of Lafayette Hill, Pa., argues that Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii as Obama says and the Hawaii secretary of state has confirmed. Berg says Obama also may be a citizen of Indonesia, where he lived as a boy. Federal courts in Pennsylvania have dismissed Berg's lawsuit.

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Posted by Mel (anonymous) on December 8, 2008 at 10:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

As long as he is tall, dark, handsome, speaks well, & smiles, nothing else matters. Finally, a "perfect" man, and the ladies faint, scream, weep, and swoon. ;) Hee hee

Posted by Woodtick (anonymous) on December 8, 2008 at 10:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

AmyO - I agree that Obama is quite adept at delivering a pre-written and read or telepromted and read speach, but listen to him try to respond to an off the cuff question in an impromtu manner and it is difficult to even listen to the man. He stammers and stumbles with more ahs and ums than should be humanly possible. If oratory skills are based solely on regurgitating written material he would get high marks, but his impromtu speaking skills leave a lot to be desired (in my opinion - which typically don't carry much weight on this forum :))

Posted by AmyO (anonymous) on December 8, 2008 at 10:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"He stammers and stumbles with more ahs and ums than should be humanly possible."

So you would agree, he must be extra-terrestrial. I propose the next NASA mission to be to seek out the planet of Obama's origin. Then immediately get started on plans to destroy it. If there is one thing this planet does not need it is more contemplative and dare I say "thoughtful" leaders. I prefer my leaders to speak quickly and confidently even when using completely fictitious words.

Posted by basca (anonymous) on December 8, 2008 at 12:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Woodtick - Just replace Obama with Dubya Bush and you are right on target.

Posted by globalcooling (anonymous) on December 8, 2008 at 2:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Glad I could provide some entertainment for you Mrs. Bornhere. May you also find peace, joy and happiness during the Barak Hussein years...good luck with that one. Jeb Bush in 2010 (this is after Obama/Biden are convicted of high crimes against the U.S. for collaborationg with Akmadinijhad, Chavez, Putin, Kim Jon and Communist China) Special election required. Alot of fixing to do after the high treason and economic depression. Once again Merry CHRISTMAS!! (not happy holidays.)

Posted by AmyO (anonymous) on December 8, 2008 at 3:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Don't forget they will also be convicted of high crimes against the world after collaborating with Obama's inter-galactic relatives from the planet Veratar. Boy, will we have some fixin' to do then. I agree, Merry CHRISTMAS! (please note that i typed Christmas in all CAPS followed by an exclamation point so as to emphasize how angry I am.)

Posted by globalcooling (anonymous) on December 8, 2008 at 4:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

O Amy. You really need to calm down and control some of that anger.

Posted by AmyO (anonymous) on December 9, 2008 at 10:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You know what they say, if you're not angry then you're not paying attention to the fact that our world being taken over by aliens from another planet.

Posted by bornhere (anonymous) on December 9, 2008 at 3:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"May you also find peace, joy and happiness during the Barak Hussein years".

Globecooler, I have no doubt that you will be a very miserable person during what you prefer to call the Hussein years. You define and create your own sociological misery! I hope that you will be able to rid yourself of your disdain of people at least through the Christmas season.

Have a merry CHRISTMAS,

Mrs. bornhere

Posted by smrstrauss (anonymous) on December 9, 2008 at 7:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dear John Adams.

Please excuse the delay. I have been in e-mail communication with the Department of Health in Hawaii. I also sent an e-mail to DHHL, but I have not received a reply yet.

From the Department of Health I received the following e-mail today, after quoting them the paragraph from DHHL that you quoted.

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It is possible that we have records with more information but we issue only certified computer-generated certificates with certain necessary information to confirm a birth. We are the only agency that issues certified birth records for Hawaii
Aloha,
kd

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You can check by sending an e-mail to this address: vr-info@doh.hawaii.gov

The quotation from the DHHL read:

“In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.”

Obviously there is a contradiction. What could explain it? One explanation that makes sense is that DHHL’s web site was hacked, and the above statement inserted. Otherwise they would not mention an original certificate of live birth if the Department of Health issues only a computer document known as a certification of live birth.

In any case, what counts is the Department of Health. The DHHL can say that it wants document x, but unless the Department of Health issues it, for the purposes of people getting birth documents, it does not exist. Only the Department of Health issues birth records, and they issue only the computer generated certificates that we know as Certifications of Live Birth.

So your entire discussion that Obama should have and could have published an original birth certificate turns out to be difficult if not impossible.

Unless Obama actually had a copy of the original, and in many cases people lose their original birth certificates, he would have had to contact the Department of Health, fill out the form, pay the $10, and get the only thing that they give out, the certification of live birth.

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Posted by smrstrauss (anonymous) on December 9, 2008 at 7:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Next, we need to remove any confusion that the state of Hawaii issues certifications of live birth to people who were not born in Hawaii AND that the COLB that results says “born in Hawaii.” This is simply not true, although there are blogs that say that there is a special law in Hawaii that allows the state to issue a certification of live birth to children of residents even if they were born outside of the state.

YES, a Hawaii certification can be issued in such a case, but the resulting document would NOT say “born in Hawaii.” It would be along these lines: “Hawaii certification of live birth: Barack Obama, parents Barack Obama and Ann Obama. Date of Birth: Aug 4, place of birth: KENYA.”

How do we know that Hawaii does not issue certificates of live birth that say: “Born in Hawaii” to children born in Hong Kong or Tokyo or Sydney or Mexico City or Kenya?

For the obvious reason that every time such a document was issued Hawaii would be creating a US citizen out of a child who was born abroad. Hawaii has no motive for doing that, and if it did do that, Hawaii’s birth documents would not be accepted by the US State Department for issuing passports, and we know that Hawaii’s birth documents ARE accepted by the US State Department for issuing passports.

Yet Obama’s birth document from Hawaii, the official certification of live birth, which is a modern document printed on a laser printer in 2007 or 2008, whenever he asked for a copy, says on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. (It says it three times under location of birth, island of birth and county of birth.)

So there cannot be a document in Obama’s file that says “born in Kenya” or the certification of live birth would be lying and the officials who looked into the file and said that they saw a birth certificate from Kenya and used this fact as a way of confirming the certification of live birth would in effect be lying. Why would they lie? (The legal consequences against them, if it turned out that Obama was born in Kenya would probably mean losing their jobs, at the least, and possibly criminal prosecution for fraud.)

Posted by smrstrauss (anonymous) on December 9, 2008 at 7:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Re: "She can produce an almost identical Certification of Live Birth as Obama."

No she cannot. She received a Hawaii Certification of Live Birth, and it says her name and parents and date of birth. But it does NOT say "born in Honolulu" because she was born in Indonesia. Where there is the line for location of birth, it says "Indonesia." That is proof that she is not a natural born citizen.

However, Obama's certification says that he was born in Honolulu, Oahu, county of Honolulu. That is proof that he is a natural born citizen.

Posted by bornhere (anonymous) on December 9, 2008 at 8:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nothing more can be said to the right wing Obama haters to convince them that our next president is a Democratic Black man. They will be trashing him for the next 4 to 8 years and we will all have to listen to them whine on a daily basis. Something had to be done about Bush, McSame and the Republican party ethic and we have now decided what to do. To all of the Obama haters, get use to it or move to Canada.

Posted by globalcooling (anonymous) on December 9, 2008 at 9:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mrs. Bornhere, I hate to break this to you but did you catch the news out of Illinois today? GOV. TRIED TO SELL NOBAMA'S SENATE SEAT. Nobama already has a problem with his associations to the Governor and many other shady characters. The Clinton/Nobama spin machine is in full force. Nobama has already been caught in a lie saying he didn't speak with the Governor about his Senate seat when he actually did. This was reported by CNN, The NY Slimes and the Washington Compost! CARE TO EXPLAIN?

Posted by AmyO (anonymous) on December 9, 2008 at 10:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hmm, care to explain (or better yet, provide a link to) where you read that Obama "has been caught in a lie saying he didn't speak with the Governor about his Senate seat when he actually did" as reported on CNN. If you could that would just be great. Thanks a bunch.

Posted by globalcooling (anonymous) on December 9, 2008 at 10:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Turn on AC 360 right now. they have played the tape about six times in the last 2 hours. www.cnn.com/ac360

Posted by AmyO (anonymous) on December 10, 2008 at 9:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What does the tape say. I just went through nearly every article on this on the AC360 site and CNN and have found nothing indicating that Obama was lying when he said he "had no contact with the governor or his office about the Senate seat" and that he "was not aware of what was happening." If this alleged tape that you claim they keep playing proves Obama is lying why aren't people like Fox News all over it? Here's the best they can come up with ( http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/... )... "Compounding the headache for Obama is a statement made and since retracted by Obama top adviser David Axelrod that Obama and Blagojevich had discussed the Senate seat..." "...On Tuesday, Axelrod issued a statement saying: I was mistaken... They did not then or at any time discuss the subject." Are you claiming that David Axelrod is lying too?

What is this tape you are referring to that proves both Obama and Axelrod are lying when they say that Obama did not discuss the Senate seat appointment with Blagojevich? If you are unable to provide a link to this tape, please just let me know what it said and who said it and I will look it up myself. Thanks.

Posted by deborahrose (anonymous) on December 11, 2008 at 11:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Did you hear - the Supreme Court declined to hear the lawsuit regarding President-elect Obama's status as a natural born American, which interestingly enough, also included a challenge to McCain's status as a natural born American - not that I'm surprised, but thought I'd point it out for those of you who are determined to drag this thing on and on.

Posted by deborahrose (anonymous) on December 11, 2008 at 11:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh, and for those who only trust Fox news, here's the link http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/...