Posted by sassica (anonymous) on February 28, 2008 at 11:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Lock em up! Another meth case busted down! Good job OTCSD!

Posted by Lala (anonymous) on February 28, 2008 at 1:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Keep on lockin' 'em up! Nice!

Posted by toad3 (anonymous) on February 28, 2008 at 2:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lock em up and throw away the key!

Posted by intheknow (anonymous) on February 28, 2008 at 2:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

About time they were busted, maybe now they will send them up the river for a while!!

Posted by votedem (anonymous) on February 28, 2008 at 2:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

White trash like this makes me sick. They're never gonna learn their lesson. Just shoot em now.

Posted by werty (anonymous) on February 28, 2008 at 2:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

hope they go to priSon and not the otc jail...crack Head lOsers! we need a wall we can just thrOw 'em over and forgeT about THEM.

Posted by bmom1 (anonymous) on February 28, 2008 at 11:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Vining is a little cleaner and safer now-that location has been so obivious for so long-makes a person wonder why it takes so long for some busts that seem to stick out like a sore thumb.

Posted by NotAsGULLIBLEasU (anonymous) on February 29, 2008 at 5:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey, this is the "white trash" you people are talking so much smak about. It's easy for you people to ridicule and pass judgement on all of us for information you read in an under researched, bias article in the Daily Journal over coffee on your way out the door to your cushy jobs. I'll bet it's just as easy for you to forget about the whole thing within a few days as you carry on with your media-controlled, sheltered lives, in the belief you have class and morals we don't possess. YOU have no idea of what goes on beyond the small-minded Daily Journal articles and the ridiculous after-school specials about the horrors of the "war on drugs" nor have you a CLUE of what we've been through/ go through on a daily basis. That's what the after-school specials ought to be about. No, we're not looking for pity or claiming martyrdom, just making you all aware that there is a another side to this story, as there always is. But the community, as a whole, would likely not be strong minded enough to handle the types of tribulations we've been through, let alone to think how any of you would try and COPE, which is hard enough in and of itself, and is only enhanced by the public view and common misconceptions held about us, based on merely one common factor. Hmmm- seems as though that would be considered STEREOTYPING. Yet all you make-believe sunday school leave-it-to-beaver drones claim to teach your children tolerance and acceptance; that the very thing being displayed in the above article and proceeding comments by "adults", is unacceptable behavior. HYPOCRITES!!!!! Perhaps you should all stop and think of whether you've ever taken part in an illegal activity before. Our drug use is nothing we're proud of, by any means, but let me assure you that the meth is not the reason for the decay of America's social, economic, moral, and religious foundations, as they would have you believe. Do some freakin research, it wouldn't kill you to know what the hell you're talking about when you choose to openly and publicly insult us. And, for the record, this was not inteded to be posted anonymously, my name is Joel McManigle, and guess what, despite all your requests, they neither locked me away, nor threw away the key. Furthermore, I regret to inform you that they didn't, and are not permitted by law, to throw any of us over any wall, and we will make damn sure we won't be forgotten.

Posted by aaa123 (anonymous) on February 29, 2008 at 7:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You have to admit that when Meth comes to our towns the crime rate goes up. There is more stealing, child abuse and neglete etc. So it should be plain to see why we don't want it in our towns. I hope that they get treatment and find good jobs so they can feel good about their lifes. Everyone has messed up at one time or other and hopefully will learn from their mistakes. But it still boils down to Meth is bad bad news.

Posted by TellitHowitIs (anonymous) on February 29, 2008 at 9:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is to the self proclaimed white trash, Joel. It was nice to read your perspective on your current situation. However, it seems you will be another drug addict that never learns from your mistakes. Joel, we all have choices. We all make decisions every day of our lives. We are all faced with trials that could easily overcome us. You say you do not want pity… then what do you want. What about your life made you have to do drugs? What made you become white trash??? What made you become so afraid of the “Norm”? Did you have a bad family life when you were younger? Were you hurt by some one??? I want to know!!!!! You are the one living a sheltered life, hazed over by drugs. Maybe you did have it rough, so why would you not want to get out of that? Get a job, get off your ass and have a life? Not become white trash? With your posting, you seem to be some what intelligent. How about those that you were with? Chelsea… my dear Chelsea, you could have had it all. You have two beautiful children, which I hope you never see again. You have had all of the chances and opportunities to make yourself a life and to make a family yet you chose drugs. See Joel… now that’s what I am talking about, take Chelsea’s situation, trust me I know it first hand. SHE CHOSE TO LEAVE HER FAMILY FOR DRUGS. A beautiful four year old and two year old, a supportive family. She did have all of the opportunity to change that. She deserves to stay in jail with you. You both deserve to be called white trash. You both deserve every single thing that comes to you because you chose to do this to yourself.

Posted by werty (anonymous) on February 29, 2008 at 11:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yawwn....to NotAsGULLIBLEasU, you have it soo rough and nobody understands your addiction. That drug-induced rant was very long. :)

Posted by Lala (anonymous) on February 29, 2008 at 11:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

When are these people going to start learning from their mistakes and start making the right decisions?? Expecially when there is kids involved?!! That just plain right p*sses me off. How can anyone choose METH over their own kids??
*And Joel don't just sit and say it's because they are 'addicted' (Which I believe is a bunch of BS, it's just an excuse to give you reason to do it ie: "I'm addicted, I can't stop, I really need it", you guys do it because plain in simple, you just want to.) because they all have choices whether to get themselves help or not. Meth is not like Heroin, you're not going to die from withdrawls!!! Most choose not to get help, there for I do not feel sorry for these drug users what so ever! I do feel deeply bad for the kids who have to grow up dealing with this crap, when in all reality.... they shouldn't have to. So, suck it up and get straight (atleast for the kids sake, Geez).

Posted by horseygirl (anonymous) on February 29, 2008 at 11:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm with the majority of you. Lock them up and throw away the key. They made their choices and now they can reap what they sowed. I have relatives in and near Vining and I am glad this trash has been cleaned up. And YES, Mr. McManigle, you were locked up. I believe I saw your mug shot on the county jail website. No matter how bad you thought your life was, meth wasn't the answer and don't tell me you didn't know it. You're an adult. I think you can read and I am quite sure you watch the television since it's obvious you didn't have a job.No sympathy here.

Posted by whowhat (anonymous) on February 29, 2008 at 12:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Are you Kidding me? Are you serious? Are you really trying to STEROTYPE other people who are not into your life style of wrecking peoples lives? Are you trying to make us understand what its like using meth and selling it with no remorse knowing what it does to other people? Misconceptions? Are you saying we have all been brainwashed into thinking this wonderfull life of meth that takes over mind,body,soul of every person who uses??? You say "Do your research".You try and find anything that says Meth is good for a person. Maybe when you can do that you can have the right to Judge the nonuser. The bottom line "Joey" is that meth does wreck communitys and does take over familys and wrecks peoles lives.It is your choice to live with this and to think its ok to hurt people and watch them as their lives crumble and you make a buck!What a great job you have. You should be proud of your self. Way to go! Is that what you want to be remembered as???? You talk about people don't know what you go through or have been through? I can say YES because I owe you and your brother for helping taking a person when at the lowest point in there life and helping them feel Better with Meth! Thank the the lord that reality came to this person and can now say she is white trash but at leaste she is high class white trash! Without Meth!!!! So as you see I will not forget you in a couple days! Be proud Stand Taller you got out of jail! What another acomplishment!

Posted by ajohnsonx (anonymous) on February 29, 2008 at 12:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Notasgullibleasu:

Wouldnt you like to have a cushy job and be able to sip some coffee in the mornings? It would be a better life than looking over your shoulder all the time to see where the cops are, and wondering who is on your side. Im not one to condemm, and to do that to someone with a habbit addiction is not right. I hope those involved with meth addiction can receive the help they need so they can have a regular life. Try and think of everything bad that has happened to you in the past five years, and then think if any of it would have happened if there wasnt meth nearby?

Posted by busymom (anonymous) on February 29, 2008 at 12:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have adopted children that have come from a home where drug use was the norm and the bio parents chose drugs over the safety, well-being, and care of their children. Shame on these parents! These children suffer every day of their lives for choices that their bio parents made. They were exposed to things that no child should have to endure. Drugs are a big problem in our society and many people suffer because of them. Our system is too lenient and these individuals deserve to be locked up where their choices cannot hurt others.

Posted by Lala (anonymous) on February 29, 2008 at 1:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Busymom Amen to that!

Posted by Flashbang (anonymous) on February 29, 2008 at 2:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Joel; You need to jump in and explain away somethings that are being brought up. 1)'cushy jobs'. I see people working outside when it's 20 below. Farmers working their fields or milking cows everyday. What about the people who get called in the middle of the night to fix a furnace or reconnect a downed powerline. I don't think these are cushy jobs, nor would I ever tell them they have a cushy job.
What is it that we don't know about your life that led you down this path? I'm betting it's not any worse than a lot of other people who are plugging away at life and doing what is right. Jumping into the drug scene is a way out of life's responsibility.
And what are these 'common misconceptions' you talk about? We'd like to know so we can decide for ourselves if we are 'sterotyping' the drug users.
I'll bet that everyone here has broken the law at one time or another. Maybe more than once, but the fact remains you were/are breaking it with the use of a drug that has been proven to increase crime and destroy your body.
And finally, what did you mean by 'and we will make damn sure we won't be forgotten'? Is this a threat you're throwing out to the area communities where you and your buddies are going to wreak havoc on our citizens? Just what did you mean?
You've been backed up to a blow torch, Joel, either burn or jump out of the flames and explain yourself. Some won't buy it, but I've learned in my many decades of life that you need to listen to the otherside of the story and I will. No name-calling will come from me. I'm just curious to get some answers from someone who knows the answers.

Posted by mvallevand (anonymous) on February 29, 2008 at 2:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Meth affects alot of lives and hurts alot of people. From what i know this Jesse just completed treatment not to long ago so obviously the only option is to lock them up and throw away the key, a simple soulution to the meth problem. It's ONE strike and your out, no exceptions! There needs to be a punishment that would make people think "Is it really worth it". Treatment neither helps nor punishes these people so what is really going on?

Posted by intheknow (anonymous) on February 29, 2008 at 2:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Joel~ As someone who grew up around drugs, I'm well aware of the choices that can be made. You can either learn from others mistakes or you can make the same mistakes and pay the same price. You have the choice to leave your uncle and brother's side and venture out on your own. Make something of yourself, and get a 'cushy' job. Any job is better than no job at all. Meth is evil, I've seen it first hand. It isn't a recreational drug. It takes over every aspect of your life before you even realize it!!! You should have figured that out by now. This isn't your first offense, they are only getting worse with being involved with your 'family' and this drug that totally consumes. YOU are the only person that will take care of YOU!!!! You should know by now that even family don't have your back all the time. Get you act together and take care of YOU!!!! You are not a little kid following your big brother anymore, and if you choose to do so, then don't blame 'society'.

Posted by justbaffled (anonymous) on February 29, 2008 at 3:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What I don't understand is how Joel is out of jail, while the rest of them are still sitting there, usually for that type of offense, you sit longer than a few days.

Posted by Lala (anonymous) on February 29, 2008 at 4 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Some people have loose lips, and then they get a slap on the wrist!
It's pathetic!

Posted by UmYea (anonymous) on February 29, 2008 at 7:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It's unfortunate that people feel the need to judge individuals they know little or nothing about. For some of the above commentors, I realize you may know Jesse or Joey. I do feel, then, that you have the right to say from your experience what these people may be like. I know Jesse and have for many years. Meth is incredibly addictive and although you may not die from withdrawals, you feel like you might. So for those who have spoken about the "choice" that one can make, it is much more difficult than that. So please, realize that you truly don't know what it is like. It's hard. THat is not to excuse any stealing, etc. that may or may not go on with people who use drugs. Not all meth users are white trash, thieves. In fact, there are some professional individuals out there who use daily. Just keep that in mind. Jesse is a very kind and caring individual. And that's coming from someone who does not use drugs with him, is not receiving anything from him, etc. You don't know the whole story, so don't pretend to have insight into things that you cannot.

Posted by someonewhocares (anonymous) on February 29, 2008 at 8:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

For someone who does know Jesse and Joey I've got mixed emotions. If I didn't know these two, I may feel the same way as some of you. But knowing these two makes me feel sad and mad. I'm sad that this happens to people. I'm sad that it's hard for them to stop. I'm mad that people turn their backs on these two. Especially when they need them the most. I'm mad that people these days are too quick to judge. From what I've read, heard and seen on TV; Meth is the most addicting drug. You can try it once and be addicted for life. It's not like deciding one day to stop drinking pop or smoking cigarettes. I've been told by people who witness this almost every day that someone who's got everything~ the "cushy" job, a family that cares, health, goes to church regularly etc. can even get addicted and it happens every day. This drug is nasty. It makes people leave their families. We all need to be more educated in this. Knowing what these two have been thru in their life does not give them an excuse to do these things. But it does answer a lot of questions. Do you really think badgering these two (calling them names, telling someone to "shoot em" etc) is really going to make them stop and get help? No! That's what's wrong with the world today. We are all hypocrites! By seeing what Joey wrote, he is a very intelligent person. Him and Jesse both are. I knew that even before I read what he wrote They unfortunatley feel they have no place to go and that there's no one who cares. That's why people rely on drugs and alcohol. It's comfort for them. Do I know the answer in helping these two. No, I do not. Do they want help from me, probably not. I do want them to know that I do care for them and I am thinking of them and it breaks my heart to see these two like this. I just ask that people think before they comment on here. Because, as we can see, one of them is reading this and I guess if I read some of the comments and knew they were about me, it would make me very angry and not want to better myself. Don't hurt people deliberatley just to make you feel better. Think before you speak (type). These two are someones kids, brother, cousin, etc. How would you like to go on here and read this about someone you know? Think people, Think! Live~Educate~Respect one another. Is that too much to ask?

Posted by lvlybabies (anonymous) on February 29, 2008 at 8:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I also know Jesse and Joey. They are not friends, but I know them well because we grew up in the same town. On one hand, I know their families. I know that they have good people in their family. I DON'T understand the drug. I know that it's addicting, but they are ruining their lives. Especially Joey... being so young, his whole life ahead of him, and this is the truth (his post) he's telling himself? This is how he feels? That's so sad... Like someonewhocares, I wish that they could see what they are doing to themselves, and not let the lies of the drug sugarcoat their choices. But they ARE people. They are NICE boys. Joey is very sweet, a very sweet kid. To say that they deserved to be shot?? They are PEOPLE, and there are people who LOVE them, no matter what their choices are. Their choice is wrong, and they should be punished according to the law, they shouldn't be let off easy just because they are *nice.* But they need to be strong, and get clean. This shouldn't be all the life that they see.

Posted by UmYea (anonymous) on February 29, 2008 at 8:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks to those who have followed suit with some kinder, gentler messages. I, too, am mad and sad about Jesse's choices (and Joey, although I am not friends with him), but know that he is a good person. Everyone makes mistakes, some need to make several before they get it. I would never expect them to be let off easy because they are nice, but I would hope that others will read these new messages and at least have enough respect to offer helpful words or none at all. Good luck, Jesse and Joey! Know that there are people out there who care.

Posted by a_recovering_tweaker (anonymous) on February 29, 2008 at 10:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Everyone, I am a recovering meth addict. I have been sober for 2 1/2 years. This is by far one of the hardest things I have ever had to do in my life. I have a poem below. It is broken up into 2 (possibly 3) parts due to the length.

This was poem was attached to it was said that it was written by a young woman who was in jail for drug charges, and was addicted to meth. She wrote this while in jail. She was released from jail, but, true to her story, the drug owned her. They found her dead not long after, with the needle still in her arm.

My Name Is "Meth"

I destroy homes, I tear families apart,
take your children, and that's just the start.
I'm more costly than diamonds, more precious than gold,
The sorrow I bring is a sight to behold.

If you need me, remember I'm easily found,
I live all around you - in schools and in towns
I live with the rich; I live with the poor,
I live down the street, and maybe next door.

I'm made in a lab, but not like you think,
I can be made under the kitchen sink.
In your child's closet, and even in the woods,
If this scares you to death, well it certainly should.

I have many names, but there's one you know best,
I'm sure you've heard of me, my name is crystal meth.
My power is awesome; try me you'll see,
But if you do, you may never break free.

Posted by a_recovering_tweaker (anonymous) on February 29, 2008 at 10:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Just try me once and I might let you go,
But try me twice, and I'll own your soul.
When I possess you, you'll steal and you'll lie,
You do what you have to -- just to get high.

The crimes you'll commit for my narcotic charms
Will be worth the pleasure you'll feel in your arms, your lungs your nose.
You'll lie to your mother; you'll steal from your dad,
When you see their tears, you should feel sad.

But you'll forget your morals and how you were raised,
I'll be your conscience, I'll teach you my ways.
I take kids from parents, and parents from kids,
I turn people from God, and separate friends.

I'll take everything from you, your looks and your pride,
I'll be with you always -- right by your side.
You'll give up everything - your family, your home,
Your friends, your money, then you'll be alone.

I'll take and take, till you have nothing more to give,
When I'm finished with you, you'll be lucky to live.
If you try me be warned - this is no game,
If given the chance, I'll drive you insane.

I'll ravish your body, I'll control your mind,
I'll own you completely, your soul will be mine.
The nightmares I'll give you while lying in bed,
The voices you'll hear, from inside your head.

The sweats, the shakes, the visions you'll see,
I want you to know, these are all gifts from me.
But then it's too late, and you'll know in your heart,
That you are mine, and we shall not part.

You'll regret that you tried me, they always do,
But you came to me, not I to you.
You knew this would happen, many times you were told,
But you challenged my power, and chose to be bold.

You could have said no, and just walked away,
If you could live that day over, now what would you say?
I'll be your master, you will be my slave,
I'll even go with you, when you go to your grave.

Now that you have met me, what will you do?
Will you try me or not? It's all up to you.
I can bring you more misery than words can tell,
Come take my hand, let me lead you to hell.

Posted by Ole (anonymous) on February 29, 2008 at 10:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have read with interest the comments posted both for and against the meth heads (this is their own street speak, not intended to be derogatory.) After using and maybe even selling meth, those involved need to serve a meaningful jail sentence. After release, they need to finish their sentence by the court hopefully requiring them to attend 100 consecutive days of Narcotics Anonymous meetings. These must be supervised and MANDATED. Sound impossible? Other states have been doing this and seemingly getting the results that were hoped for in the majority of cases. That is, the users are beginning to live it straight. As I read Joels letter, it is so typical among users, whether felons or not. Blame, blame, and blame. They take no responsibility for their actions and are really saying, "Pity me." Get straight Joel and sincere good luck.

Posted by bmom1 (anonymous) on February 29, 2008 at 11:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Knowing or should I say meeting both Joey and Jesse I as some of the rest of you believe these are both good hearted,kind and caring guys.I know Jesse will jump up to help a person in need as he rushed to change my flat tire and help me out-And he expected nothing, Nice young man!Joey is articulate,strong and fair from the one and only time I had any dealings with him,I believe the strenght and fairness he showed could realy take him far in this world if channeled in a more positive direction.I wish them both the best for the future.If God would grant One wish-I wish they both could turn their lives around-prosper and hold their heads high and be an example to the rest that YES they could teach a thing or two about the pitfalls of drugs.Good luck guys One Old Grandma

Posted by IseeTHEtruth (anonymous) on March 1, 2008 at 12:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This morning I woke up and went to work. The day was no different than any day I had experienced over the past 10 years of my life. Just another day for me. Some days are better than others. Some are worse. Today was rather slow for me and at some point in the day I was checking my e-mail when I received one from a friend. He advised me to look at the Fergus Falls Daily Journal website. He didn’t tell me why – but just to look at it. This intrigued me and I had to check it out. After a bit of perusing, I found out why he sent me there. It saddened me and upset me at the same time.

Although I have not lived in the community in over a decade, I still feel a strong connection to the area. It will always be the place I call “home”. It is a wonderful place to live and raise a family. The people there are incredible and some of the most genuine outgoing people I’ve even encountered. They are kind, polite, hard-working, honest, friendly, and church going people. The traits seem to be synonymous and endearing with the people who I encountered through the portion of my life in the community and its surrounding area.

To be honest, I will say that as I read the actual article, I was not completely surprised. I grew up knowing one of the individuals involved. Although I would not characterize us as “friends”, he did pay a small role in my life. I won’t go into how or in what ways he affected my life, but like everyone that YOU came into contact with growing up, he contributed to who I am today. YOU probably remember a few of the people who YOU were friendly with, or picked on, or disliked, or were indifferent to. Maybe one day YOU wondered “what ever happened to (fill in the blank)?” Well, for me, today I found out about one of those people in my life. I feel terrible that this is how/why I am getting an update to his current situation in life. I knew there were problems then, it is sad to see they don’t seem to have improved much. (Or at all)

Our society seems to have a way to catch people when they are at their lowest and either motivate them to rise above, or pull them down even further. To see him having to deal with this hopefully life-altering moment, I feel encouraged that maybe a change is in the future for him. I believe this is the rock-bottom and he will grow and use this as motivation to show those people here who seem so full of hate.

Posted by IseeTHEtruth (anonymous) on March 1, 2008 at 12:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Reading the first comments to the article, I was appalled by what I saw written by people from the communities from which I called “home”. I can only assume the people who took time to post their cruel/insensitive opinions about these “white trash” individuals are without sin. “Lock em up” “throw away the key!” “send them up the river” “Just shoot em now.” “we need a wall we can just thrOw 'em over and forgeT about THEM.” Yes, that final direct quote is probably my favorite. Let us all just “forgeT about THEM.” Maybe if somebody had not done that to these people years ago, I would not have read this article today.

I assume that I must know at least some of the people who wrote some of the comments. To those people I say this… When you are out tomorrow picking up your mail, or eating at Kountry Korner, or filling you tank at Pete’s, or grabbing a drink at the Pub, or whatever you happen to be doing – before you decide to contribute to the gossip that I know is swirling throughout the community – think about why or how this tragedy could have been avoided. What YOU could have done 15 years ago to step in and assist these people, instead of doing nothing and now complain how this meth problem is going to destroy your community. Think about how WE let this “family” down. Don’t be self-righteous and claim that YOU are not accountable here. WE all are. Maybe if I had stepped in and offered some form of assistance, or a kind word, or actually been a “friend”; I might not have read this article today. Maybe if WE had been more encouraging, and accepting as a community of others among us who may not fit our ideal of perfection this would not have happened.

Posted by IseeTHEtruth (anonymous) on March 1, 2008 at 12:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Don’t call these individuals out in this anonymous forum and expect them to have to justify to you their lifestyle and choices. If you feel you have never made a mistake in life, then please feel free to come forward with your full name and let others pick apart the decisions you have made. For one of the accused to write in shows a lot of courage. Mr. McManigle did not write in to gain your pity or sympathy. He did it to show us that maybe there can be another side to a story we don’t see. YOU DON’T KNOW what he has been through or what caused him to choose this path with his life. (Or even if he had a choice) These are things YOU DON’T NEED TO KNOW. What you DO NEED TO KNOW is that there are hundreds more children in your schools right now; more than likely there are a few of them who don’t feel they fit in. For whatever reason (or no reason at all) they don’t fit the mold WE want to see in OUR community. This is OUR chance to make a change in their lives. This should open up all of OUR eyes and change every interaction we have with the future of our communities.

Or we could “forgeT about THEM” and then see where that gets us… It seemed to work so well in this situation. Right?

Jesse - If you get to read this – I am sorry. In a way, I hold myself somewhat accountable. I wish the best for you and your future. (As well as to all the others involved)

Posted by NotAsGULLIBLEasU (anonymous) on March 1, 2008 at 12:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

First off, let me make it perfectly clear that I never said or meant to imply that I believe that drugs, of any type, are good, or acceptable, that in using them, I or any of us were in the right. HOWEVER: I saw some of you mentioned children and how they are affected by drugs. I have only this to say, in response- Never were there mentioned in the article, nor were there any instances not mentioned of any children being present in our home, ESPECIALLY when anything remotely connected to use, etc... of drugs alledgedly took place. I AM NOT ADMITTING OR CONFESSING TO THE ALLEDGED CHARGES PENDING AGAINST MYSELF OR ANYONE INVOLVED IN THE ARREST!!! I AM expressing that, though it's been assumed that I lack the abilty to take responsibility for my actions, this fact by itself is evidence of my capability of being a responsible adult.
************FOR THOSE ACCUSING OF "LOOSE LIPS":*************
Of the four individuals arrested, I am the only one "out" because I have someone who believes in me, despite "moral majority's" vision of me (as white trash and a loser, etc.), and cared enough to give me a fighting chance by posting my bail immediately after my initial court hearing. This person's faith in me, worth $10,000 bond, $1,000 cash to the judicial system, ought to be somewhat of a indicator that I cannot really be the low-life white trash, that I've been made out to be, by those who obviously don't know me.

Posted by mngirl (anonymous) on March 1, 2008 at 9:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

As a member of this community I am deeply troubled by the lack of humanity people have been showing. Any type of addiction is hard to overcome but with persistance and patience, AND the help from others in our community it can be done. I will be waiting in a building called The Alano club and I will help.

Posted by otterfan (anonymous) on March 1, 2008 at 10:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. For you will be treated as you treat others. The standard you use in judging is the standard by which you will be judged. And why worry about a speck in your friends eye when you have a log in your own? How can you think of saying to your friend, 'Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye,' when you can't see past the log in your own eye? Hypocrite! First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friends eye. Matthew 7:1-5

Posted by UmYea (anonymous) on March 1, 2008 at 10:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow! I truly feel a lot better about humanity after seeing the follow up comments to the one's that were originally posted. I had started to doubt the innate goodness of people...now I can see that there is no need for doubt. There are good, caring people out there who are willing to see people for who they are rather than what choices they have made. It just takes us a little longer to respond...rather than posting a knee-jerk response to something, we take the time to think about the individuals in which we are speaking of. Joey--I'm glad someone had faith in you. For those who are questioning Jesse--I have faith in him. I have faith that he can get this straightened out and will go on with life as the caring, kind individual he is. He'll always have those of us who truly know him in his corner. Drugs or not.

Posted by iLuvMN (anonymous) on March 1, 2008 at 11:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I have say I agree with IseeTHEtruth! Anyone who is a certain age and is from the area has been affected, connected or otherwise known the individuals involved. I to always wonder what has happened to certain people, knowing the news I may hear is may be negative. All I can say is that people care about you, whether you know them or not and I hope all of you can find what you need to make your lives better.

Posted by weallneedtowakeup (anonymous) on March 1, 2008 at 11:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Although I think the McManigle boys need to change there life style and still can, I think anyone who has never been in this situation as a parent or family member of a drug user needs to understand. When I look at the Ottertail County Jail site I am saddened and shocked to see an old high school friend of mine in for meth. I am in my 40's and this young man was popular, a jock, came from a good family and had everything I ever wanted, yet at his age he is hooked on meth. We all need to realize it can happen to anyone, nothing protects you, not being a GREAT parent, not going to church every Sunday, not being a jock, not being rich. I have had children with drug problems and I consider myself an outstanding parent. But a side most people don't see until they have had to deal with this is the lack of support, especially at the Ottertail County Court level. They have belittled me as a parent (even though I turned my child in and they later garnished my wages for thousands of dollars to cover detention stay), the probation officers never showed up for appointments and were only available 9-5 Mon-Fri. When I put my child in the Hazelton Recovery Center (the best in Minnesota) and my insurance ran out after 30 days of the 6 month program, the county refused to help and treatment ended. All Ottertail County is interested is running up fines and collecting their money, Judge Stringer (may he rest in peace) was one of the few judges who allowed parents to be involved in prosecution and treatment plan. No one ever followed up, I challenge all of you who have never been through this to spend a day sitting in the Ottertail County Court room and listening to the way people are treated and the lack of care or concern for the families. It is like an assembly line and it's wrong. IN SHORT, don't point fingers it could hit your family tomorrow, my child was at one time considered one of the nicest kids in the area and when trouble started so did the nasty talk and this doesn't help us as family involved to feel good about our situation which is tough enough. Joe and Jesse can change, I think the one most at fault here is a 50 something year old man that would involve his own nephews, what kind of a roll model has he been. I think if someone would take these boys under there wing and offer them the CUSHY jobs they are looking for and help them build their self esteem , (knowing this does not happen over night and they will have bumps in the road), that they may have a chance. Do good Joe and Jesse.!!!

Posted by JL (anonymous) on March 1, 2008 at 11:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with a lot of these people's comments,(not the cruel and mean ones). I hope that all the people involved can find help somewhere and get on with their lives(probably not in that community thanks to all the people who need to judge) A bit of advice for the people involved, find someone who is a true friend and doesn't use and hang with them for a few years believe me it will work. The one thing you will notice is you will have no friends for awhile, then ask yourself were they friends in the first place. This is hard, but if you want it bad enough you will get free of the drugs(trust me). Good luck and I hope you guys can find a way out and a true friend to help you out. If you doubt me on this working trust me it works. (5yrs sobriety here)

Posted by copperbadger (anonymous) on March 1, 2008 at 4:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

In regards to Werty's comments, when you were living with your own addiction did you feel that society let you down in some way? I see anger and lashing out every time you reply, but never anything valuable or of interest to the readers of this paper. Why waste your time? Maybe it would be better if you relieved the demons of your past and figured out how to deal with them before passing judgement on everyone else!!!

Posted by buch379 (anonymous) on March 2, 2008 at 9:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

WE SHOULDNT BLAME JOEY OR JESSE OR THERE PARENTS BECAUSE IF YOU GREW UP WITH THEM YOU WOULD KNOW THAT THEY HAD A FINE CHILDHOOD, BUT ONE DAY THEY STARTED LOOKING UP TO THERE UNCLE "MICHEAL T. BUCHANAN" THAT WAS THE FIRST MISTAKE WE SHOULD ALL BLAME HIM. THEY SHOULD SEND HIM TO PRISON SO HE CANT SCREW UP ANYONE ELSES LIFE. SUCH AS HE DID WITH HIS SON AND TWO NEPHEWS. JOEY DONT TRY AND SAVE MIKE BECAUSE IN MY EYES HE IS NOT WORTH SAVING ANYMORE.PLUS HE WOULDNT DO IT FOR YOU HE NEVER WOULD STICK HIS NECK OUT HE SAVES HIMSELF.

Posted by gimmeabreak (anonymous) on March 2, 2008 at 10:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sounds like a lot of people feel sorry for these folks but honestly, what can the community do specifically to help these drug users/abusers? We all know them..we drive by their delapidated, eyesore of a home right in our own town everyday and do nothing. We are scared of them and the climate of fear keeps them insulated from society. Should we walk up to their door and offer our help? What do they need? I am sure they wouldn't want our help... So, instead we just wait until law enforcement does something and hope then it will stop. Let's face it... if these guys didn't get caught they would still be selling and using drugs right now. That is the reality.

Most of us know friends or family members who have have struggled and maybe even lost their lives to drugs so we feel for these people and their families. However, neither feeling sorry nor condemning them with nasty comments is going to do a thing.

Not sure what the solution is but admitting we all have a problem (not just them but our community too) is the first step to recovery.

Posted by ARusher (anonymous) on March 2, 2008 at 11:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

To Mr. McManigle, I should assure you that your lynchmob is neither moral nor in the majority. They are, in fact, an immoral minority, albiet an extremely vocal one. You should be clearly aware that any statements you make here are likely to be used against you in court. I admire your courage to stand up to such vitriol, and the relative restraint of your response. I hope that you are able to obtain and accept gracefully whatever assistance is needed to overcome your current adversities. If you should be convicted of a crime, justly or unjustly, do not fear the process. While painful and unpleasant, you will survive it, and it can make you stronger, if you go with God in Christ. If you rely on yourself in such a situation, you may dig yourself a deeper hole. Even in the worst case, you can expect to lose a portion of your life to retribution, at great cost to society and your family, but if you are diligent and do not give up hope and vision for the future, you can come out of that trial to achieve all of the dreams you might once have held -- unless you thought to get a security clearance or run for high office; those options are effectively closed.

Eventually, mindless fear and hatred will be overcome, and such processes will no longer exist. Perhaps by that time, circumstances such as yours will also be a thing of the past as well. Meanwhile, we live in an imperfect world. No matter what bitterness is dealt to you, if God lives in you, you can return love, and overcome it.

Posted by lvlybabies (anonymous) on March 2, 2008 at 2:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To Buch: THANK YOU! That is the TRUTH. The day they started following their dear uncle is their first mistake. As a grown man, he's allowed to live his life any way he wants to, but as their uncle (and as a father), he should have known to protect those kids. Don't most parents or adults in authority do that? Protect the kids in their life, try to bring them up the right way? As for gimmeabreak: What does an eyesore of a house have to do with anything? Does the state of their house have anything to do with them as people? "Oh sorry, we can't help you. You have a rundown home and that means that we need to be afraid, and not offer our compassion or love, because God knows that us good people shouldn't consort with the lowly..." Why be afraid of them? Growing up in a small town, you get to know people before drugs take over their lives. You get to know their other family members. You know where they come from. What is there to be afraid of? They put their pants on the same way you do. They are as human as you, and you are as human as they. Again, I think that ALL OF THEM deserve to punished for their choices. I'm sick of people who get in trouble like this getting off easy. Maybe if there was stricter regulation, people wouldn't fall through the cracks, because there would be FOLLOW THROUGH, so people get help. But they do deserve to face the consequences of their actions. But they are PEOPLE. And there is good in those two boys. And probably in their uncle too, but he's old enough to know... he shouldn't have allowed his children and nephews be a part of his lifestyle. If I, as an adult, choose to drink: fine. But I will NEVER allow my children or their friends to drink with me, or be a buyer for them. You drink around me, you do drugs around me, I find out about it... I'M THE ADULT. THERE WILL BE SOMEONE STEPPING IN. That's not okay!

Posted by lvlybabies (anonymous) on March 2, 2008 at 2:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And I know that Joey and Jesse are adults themselves now, but this started happening when they were younger. They can make their own choices, but their favorite uncle should have known better. Should have been "Sorry guys. This is a screwed up life I'm living, and I'm not willing to drag you down with me." But he didn't... and now most of the young boys in that family are messed up and getting into trouble. Sad...

Posted by JL (anonymous) on March 2, 2008 at 3:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Very sad indeed... I hope they all find the help they need and hope the whole family including the ones without the drug problem can get through this and move on with their lives. Best wishes to ALL of you.

Posted by JL (anonymous) on March 2, 2008 at 4:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ps I am not saying what they did was okay in anyway, but everybody needs a friend in life.

Posted by localfisherman (anonymous) on March 3, 2008 at 9:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

meth is a BIG problem in our area and needs to be irradicated now, im sure there have been good people that have gotten hooked, but that doest change the fact that its an epidemic in small town USA and whomever gets caught with it deserves to be punished to the full extent of the law. and in my opinion they are all lucky they only got possesion and didnt get charged with intent to sell, as i would assume there is probably an abandoned lab that will need to be cleaned up at a cost of thousands of dollars to the county. So this concerned citizen says lock em up, clean it up, and lets not let this meth thing become what crack became in the eighties, if it hasnt already

Posted by desertrat (anonymous) on March 3, 2008 at 1:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I do not know the people involved in this drug bust but I would like to share a true story with them.

In January of 2003 in our sleepy little retirement town of Mesquite Nevada, 19 year old Beau Maestas and his 16 year old sister, Monique from Utah drove to town to meet Tamara Schmidt and her boyfried Robert at the Casa Blanca Resort Casino to make a minor meth purchase. The Schmidts sold Beau and Monique salt instead of meth and in revenge the Maestas went to the Schmidts r.v. and stabbed their children. Monique stabbed the 3 year old to death and Beau stabbed the 10 year old so that she is now a parapalegic in a wheel chair. Beau has been given the death penalty and Monique is in prison without chance of parole for 67 years. Tamara Schmidt is in prison for 4-10 years and Robert for 2-10 years for child neglect and endangerment. So, 6 lives (and many, many more considering friends and relatives) are ruined over a bag of meth. I hope this gives you something to think about while you can still make changes in your life.

Posted by sassica (anonymous) on March 3, 2008 at 3:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well for 10,000 dollar bail, you must really have some tough charges ahead of you. I have a family member who had a meth addiction. There is hope and there are many people who have been through it. If you surround yourself with drug-free family and friends, you can get away from it! Best of luck to you!

Posted by watever (anonymous) on March 3, 2008 at 8:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

yea watever the only reason ur out cause u have a women that's knocked up that is blinded. even though her son thinks ur a peice of crap u still came back. u left too many times to come back to open arms

Posted by onehunny (anonymous) on March 3, 2008 at 11:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gimmeabreak jusst a LITTLE JUDGEMENTAL maybe!!! My, my and what lovely palace do we live in my dear that the whole community loves to flock to since I am sure you are LOVED by ALL!!! Too Funny, LOL! Some peoples kids! Seriously people, you all can type till your finger tips are numb reality is addiction is a DISEASE!!! Whatever you say here will not influence the Court of LAW. How you talk about another human being allows the general public to see just what kind of person you are!! I was always taught do onto others as you would have them do onto you. These men are in turmoil at this point in their lives and deserve our prayers and good wishes. With everyone pulling for them instead of against them something good could actually come of all this for children past and present. Keep in mind Uncle was a child once too, who knows what happened with his life or who can judge what happens behind closed doors? Seems everyone has skeletons in thier closets,NO? I think everyone should have faith and stop being so judgemental try a 12 step program and let GODS WILL BE DONE!!! EVERYTHING HAPPENS FOR A REASON.

Posted by CoolHandLuke (anonymous) on March 4, 2008 at 7:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I have to agree with blackrat, addiction isn't really a disease. Cancer... now thats a disease. I have read all the comments so far and feel very strongly about two things -

If these guys were introduced to meth at a young age by a person they trusted, then I do pity them, however it is still a choice to continue to use. You can choose to stop or you can choose to keep throwing your life away. That is why it isn't a disease. A person can't choose to develop Alzheimers or brain cancer, nor can they simply decide one day to stop and have it go away. You can.

Also, my second point is that if some of the posters are correct and the uncle is a large part of the problem, perhaps this situation will encourage others to help support this family in some way and keep him away from the community if law enforcement or the courts cannot.

Finally, I just have to say this - for the posters who are saying "well, just find God and he will cure everything"... GET A CLUE. We are talking about chemical dependence here. They just as well hope that Santa brings them a magic bullet to rid them of meth or even better a time machine so they can go back and not take that first hit...

Luke

Posted by localfisherman (anonymous) on March 4, 2008 at 9:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

when there is a meth bust on this site every one is so happy that meth is getting cleaned up. NOW everyone is so sad that it was one of their friends. Before we get to hippocritical lets remember THEY GOT CAUGHT WITH CRYSTAL METH AND IT WASNT A LETS GET SOME AND TRY IT SITUATION. this activity has been going on by these individuals for years and I for one am glad to see four more drug dealers in jail or at least in the system, where im sure the OTC drug task force can keep a very good eye on them.

Posted by pplthesedays (anonymous) on March 4, 2008 at 10:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

blackrat and CoolHandLuke you are both obviously very ignorant if you think addiction is a choice. Addiction is a disease of the brain, and maybe at some time these four individuals thought to themselves that they should stop using but meth seriously effects the decisions people make whether you choose to beleive that or not.

Posted by Alltogether (anonymous) on March 4, 2008 at 2:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I've been out of the Community for awhile but I do still hear almost all the things that go on. Unfortunately everyone arguing over "faith", what to do, they need our help, they need to be locked up. Everyone has their own opinion but when you break it down your having a debate over freedom of choice! Fortunatly we all get to make choices that we are responsible for. This makes us human. Just like some of us move away and some of us stay in the community. Regardless of addiction being a disease or not, there was a time these people were not on meth and made a "choice" to start using. Think about growing up, were you ever "offered" a cigarette. I bet you had to choose to take that smoke and weren't forced to (pressured maybe). All I am getting at is the choices that were made were wrong, and I think that these guys will get what they have coming to them. There's no point in saying bad things about them. But I believe the community would help these guys out if they actually showed that they wanted to change! The only poeple that can make that choice is them!

Posted by CoolHandLuke (anonymous) on March 4, 2008 at 3:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Whoa PPLTHESEDAYS... Settle. The debate about whether meth addiction is a disease or not is a touchy one, but there isn't a reason to call us ignorant. However I will agree with you that I am "ignorant" on certain aspects of this particular case, as I don't know these individuals (but I have heard numerous stories about the family over the years, and most of them were from a member of their extended family I believe), but I must again state that I don't feel we should associate chemical dependency of any kind with disease. That simply isn't the correct nomenclature. It is a choice! They chose to smoke that light bulb or pipe the first time and every single time after that. Without question. I agree strongly with what ALLTOGETHER said too, that if they wanted help, I am sure the community would try to help them. But without a doubt, chemical addiction is a choice and not a disease.

PPLTHESEDAYS - You can prove me wrong by doing one simple thing. Total honor system and I will belive you if you tell me you did. I want to you head to the nearest hospital and final someone with a currently untreatable affliction, ie. brain cancer, Parkinson's, cerebral palsy, - and ask them if chemical dependency is a disease. Explain your position on the subject to them, and enlighten them on what constitutes a disease and what constitutes a lifestyle choice. If you can do that and your soul doesn't run screaming from your body, I will agree with you that these young men suffer from a "disease".

Posted by goingfishing (anonymous) on March 4, 2008 at 3:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Addiction/Disease is the question.
I don't believe that I am wrong, but it seems that when a drug user takes his first sampling of a drug, that person knows it's wrong, it will hurt him, it will hurt family and friends and is illegal. When that user makes the decision to sell drugs, he knows it will harm others, will hurt his family and friends as well as those of the person he is selling to and knows full well it is illegal. So, why would anybody ever take a drug the first time or sell the first time? Because it is a disease? I don't think so. It was a free choice, albeit a bad one, but a choice. A disease inflicts people without it being their choice to get that disease.
So, why should society be overloaded with sympathy for individuals who, by free choice, decide to inflict themself with drugs or to become a criminal in selling drugs? Not me.

Posted by desertrat (anonymous) on March 4, 2008 at 5:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

onehunny - I believe the Golden Rule says, "Do UNTO (not ONTO)others as you would have them do UNTO you."

So let me understand how this works in your mind. In the case of the drug dealers killing and maiming the little girls, society should have just "helped" the drug dealers with their "disease" (not given them the death penalty or a long prison sentence) because that is how WE would have wanted to be treated? I know I would prefer to be "helped" rather than punished. But it just doesn't work that way. People do bad things and if they get caught, they get punished, period. If not, all is lost. Society breaks down. We can't apply the Golden Rule to crime. Get into the real world and save your "unto"s for someone who also follows the Golden Rule. You can bet these guys never heard of it.

And I agree, with coolhandluke that chemical dependency is not a disease (except to people who make their money trying to cure it) - it is a choice. Almost always a bed one.

Posted by Jerry (anonymous) on March 4, 2008 at 8:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Send these druggies to Arizona where the Sheriff locks them away in a tent, with pink pajamas, peanut butter sandwiches and work. Only then will they learn the results of their stupidity. The pampering that they get in the OTCJ means nothing to them. Even in prison they sit around, watch TV, lift weights etc. Give them what they deserve, punishment! There are no acceptable excuses!

Posted by sassica (anonymous) on March 4, 2008 at 8:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well I believe addiction is a choice that turns into a disease! Just because your family member is a drug addict or an abuser doesn't mean you are. Come on. The decision to do drugs was ONCE in your hands. Maybe now it is far beyond a choice. GET HELP!

Posted by Lala (anonymous) on March 4, 2008 at 9:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with Jerry!! I've seen programs on TV about that sherriff down in Arizona! He does the 'chain gang' thing with the criminals. I think different states could learn alot from this guy! Kudos to Arizona for actually being hard the on criminals out there!

Posted by PRFISHER (anonymous) on March 5, 2008 at 2:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Of the four individuals arrested, I am the only one "out" because I have someone who believes in me, despite "moral majority's" vision of me (as white trash and a loser, etc.), and cared enough to give me a fighting chance by posting my bail immediately after my initial court hearing. This person's faith in me, worth $10,000 bond, $1,000 cash to the judicial system, ought to be somewhat of a indicator that I cannot really be the low-life white trash, that I've been made out to be, by those who obviously don't know me."

I wonder if that person will believe in you twice? I hear that your back in the pokey after making the same mistake again..... Back in jail 1 week after being let out, yup your right you are quite the outstanding citizen.

Posted by whowhat (anonymous) on March 5, 2008 at 3:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with PRfisher! Back in jail in one week and drug his girlfriend along this time! Joey you talk about you have someone who believes in you? The one who bails you out is now in jail as well! I guess you were right. Noone will forget you! You Won't let anyone!

Posted by localfisherman (anonymous) on March 5, 2008 at 3:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

is it really that big of a surprise

Posted by JL (anonymous) on March 5, 2008 at 4:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

He is already back in jail? What are the charges, drugs again?

Posted by whowhat (anonymous) on March 5, 2008 at 5:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes Drugs again!

Posted by whocares (anonymous) on March 6, 2008 at 2:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Looks like you're back in jail once again. Some were saying we should give you a break or not talk you down. Well, like they say, the apple doesn't fall from the tree. Doesn't look like you tried bettering your life. It hasn't even been a week and your back in jail. What a father your gonna make. Hopefully that apple doesn't fall near the tree. I don't think your gonna get so lucky this time to get bailed out. You may have had someone blinded so they got you out the first time but i doubt they'll be so blinded now. I hope she gets out and leaves you there. Thats probably the only way that kid wont be the apple that falls close to the tree.

Posted by CoolHandLuke (anonymous) on March 6, 2008 at 7:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You have got to be kidding me?? He is back in jail?

I changed my mind. I no longer feel the community should reach out at all to this individual and his associates. If it is true that another arrest has been made (I haven't checked the jail website yet), I think the only solution for this young man is a short drop and a sudden stop. I will offer the rope and chair...

What is the name of the girlfriend who is apparently joining him on his county paid "vacation'?

Posted by horseygirl (anonymous) on March 6, 2008 at 11:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES!!!!! AS RON WHITE SAYS, THERE'S NO CURE FOR STUPID!!!

Posted by otterfan (anonymous) on March 6, 2008 at 11:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

CoolHandLuke: I believe her name is Nadean Rans. She has the same charges as joey according to the county jail website.

Posted by StayNStrong (anonymous) on March 6, 2008 at 12:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I do not want to post any judement but say that I understand the many different opinions of all these people and their comments. Though I refuse to ever try such an awful drug - it is only because of people I know that I love and care about and are using meth - that I remain strong in staying away from it. They have had problems with such drug use and it hurts everyone involved. But in being so close to these people in my life, I can also understand to the best of my comprehension, that it is such a controlling substance. It is so evil. That's not an exangeration. These people that I know - they're are wonderful people; smart and caring. So yes, this evil can claim anybody who wants to dare and try it. Anybody. In reading a posting by weallneedtowakeup I am reminded that I know of people in our communities that are bankers, probation officers (yes you read that correctly) - people that we think couldn't be using but are. So there is no reason to belittle these offenders. People we trust in our daily lives may be doing no better!

We need to come together and try to make a difference instead of wasting time talking smack about these people. I'm not defnding them but just wait until you know someone in your life (like a child, wife/husband, close friend...) that has a problem with drugs and you'll be saying that same thing.

Joel and Jesse, I have never met you, but keep your heads up. Don't put blame but take account - keep walking forward and don't look back.

Posted by lpilan (anonymous) on March 6, 2008 at 1 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sassica is right. Addiction is a disease, albeit one instigated by choice. It is an individuals choice initially, but there are some brains that are wired to become an addict. And the addiction could be anything, drinking, drugs, shopping, overeating, and smoking. Sending any addict directly to jail without collecting the $200 for 'rehabilitation' purposes, it does nothing but complicate the situation. Everyone has their mistakes, but everyone makes them, this is how we learn in life. I am a living example of this. I was a college student/drug addict, and this affected my college career, as anyone can guess. I spent some time in treatment, and have learned from my mistakes. I am now finishing my undergrad degree, and even though it may take me some more time than I had originally anticipated, I will finish it. You cannot displace these people because of their actions. You have to remember that they are individuals with feelings, and as you can see, are able to read what is being said about them.

Posted by JL (anonymous) on March 6, 2008 at 1:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

coolhandluke I am with you I changed my mind to....he was given a break and went right back to doing the same thing. If I understood correctly wasn't joey's girlfriend pregnant? Was she also using is that why she is in jail or just because she was around it? If anyone answer this for me it would be great

Posted by lookitup (anonymous) on March 6, 2008 at 2:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nadean Rans is a career criminal - take a look at www.mncriminals.com - everything from Arson to Theft to Receiving Stolen Property to Controlled Substance to Check Forgery to Fraud to Issuing Bad Checks - these are all Convictions in the past 12 years, and she is only 33. Both Jesse (drugs) and Joel (DUI) have priors as well. And Mr. Buchanan? Three felony convictions and two misdemeanors since 1999, for Drug Mfg/Delivery, Assault, Damage to Property (twice), and Drugs. Fine upstanding citizens.

Posted by whocares (anonymous) on March 6, 2008 at 2:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If i don't stand corrected, I do beleive that she didn't have any problems with anything til Joel came into the picture. Sounds like he was only there for the baby's sake, nothing else. Now look what that did. Isn't bringing yourself down bad enough? No, I guess not, had to drag your baby and its mother along to jail too. Whats it gonna take to open your eyes? Do you have any remorse at all? Do you really expect your kid to be born behind bars? It's bad enough you chose this life style, but wake the heck up! Don't make him be born in your lifestyle, behind bars. Hopefully this kid will be able to make its own choose's. Maybe they will reflect back on your past and avoid going the same route as you did at all costs.

Posted by whocares (anonymous) on March 6, 2008 at 2:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

K that site says otherwise. I guess I stand corrected.

Posted by lookitup (anonymous) on March 6, 2008 at 2:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

whocares - sorry about that - simultaneous posts.

Posted by lookitup (anonymous) on March 6, 2008 at 2:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

whocares - Nadean Rans has Felony convictions from 12 years ago, when Joel M was only 7 years old. You stand corrected.

Posted by tapdancer (anonymous) on March 6, 2008 at 7:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm glad these guys were busted before the house exploded. I used to run a child care facility in a small town outside of Breckenridge. My neighbors made meth in their basement. I decided to close my business and move. I hated seeing my little kids playing outside in the sandbox while next door cars were in and out of the driveway all day. Twenty years ago, when I attended high school in Fergus Falls, one of my dearest, oldest friends was recruited to sell cocaine for this guy who used to cruise the armory parking lot after school looking for stupid girls he could sweet talk. I still see him around the high school from time to time. Gosh, he's got to be in his fifties by now.

Posted by JoeMadre (anonymous) on March 6, 2008 at 8:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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Posted by americasmostwantedmyspace (anonymous) on March 7, 2008 at 12:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

yes, meth is bad but the ironic truth is alcohol and cigarettes kill more people per year than all other drugs combine but I see no one here complaining about the smokes they sell at your gas station or the liquor stores around your town. I see no one here calling your local grocery store, gas station and liqour store owners "white trash" because of the smokes and booze they sell, they are drug dealers too. I see no one here calling their friends and neighbors "white trash" because they smoke or drink.

Now lets talk about the financial problems associated with illegal drugs. THEY DO NOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO THE CRIME CAUSED BY LEGALIZED GAMBLING, not by a thousandth. So you are all the biggest bunch of idiots I have ever seen.

Remember, the men came to Jesus and said "this woman is a prostitute and she needs to be stoned to death!"

Jesus said, "Let he among you who is without sin cast the first stone."

Needless to say no stone was cast that day and the prostitute lived, the sinners all had to walk away...

Posted by americasmostwantedmyspace (anonymous) on March 7, 2008 at 1:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

and to the guy that wrote this, I have to ask, what drugs are you on?

"In the case of the drug dealers killing and maiming the little girls"

Please direct me to a news story about a drug dealer killing and maiming a little girl.

Now granted there are homocides associated with drug dealers, more often than not usually in big cities and often gangs fighting over turf or a drug rip-off. Not little girls. Sometimes drug agents are killed too.

Drugs are also bad because they create a huge influx of illegal aliens that strain our economy. Drugs also help finance violent gangs like the Bloods, Crips, Mexican Mafia, Hell's Angels. The Democratic and Republican election hopefuls have also taken large campaign contributions from drug dealers hoping their party gets elected and can pardon their friends on their last day in office as Bill Clinton did.

Legalization of all drugs would eliminate all these problems by taking the high black market prices out of drugs that make selling them such a lucrative way for gangs to finance their eneterprise. Not to mention free up prison space for the real criminals, sex offenders, who usually get slapped on the wrist until a dead body turns up. The money out government made could be used to build a wall on the southern border. We can make it like the wall at the St. Cloud Reformatory so they can't climb over it so easy. We should have armed snipers man them walls too.

People are going to do them whether they are legal or not so why not make them affordable so they don't have to blow your head off for their next fix?

Oh wait, we can't do that or how will all these bloody politicians finance their next bid for presidency?

Hillary’s brothers were paid more than $500,000 to lobby the president for pardons that were then granted to con artists and drug dealers. For a fee of $400,000, Hugh Rodham successfully pushed for a pardon for drug kingpin Carlos Anabel Vignali, convicted of shipping a half-ton of cocaine from L.A. to Minnesota. His father was a big contributor to the Democratic Party — he gave more than $150,000 to the Los Angeles Democrats. Obviously, the investment was a shrewd one.

Jorge Cabrera, a convicted felon from Florida, gave the DNC $20,000 and then attended a political reception in Miami at which Cabrera got his picture taken with Al Gore. Cabrera was soon invited to a December 1995 pre-Christmas event at the White House and was photographed with First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton. The next month in January 1996, undercover agents arrested Cabrera with three tons of Colombian cocaine. Prior to Cabrera's January arrest, he had been arrested twice on drug charges, and pleaded guilty to non-drug-related charges in both cases. Cabrera is serving a 19-year prison sentence.

Posted by lpilan (anonymous) on March 7, 2008 at 6:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

americasmostwantedmyspace, when did religion come into this debate? I understand your side, but you seem to be contradicting yourself. The sinners walking away, (and keep in mind, these are parables, not 'true' stories, and then you tell us of individuals making friendly with the DNC. Which story is more important to you?

Posted by americasmostwantedmyspace (anonymous) on March 7, 2008 at 8:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

you say they are not true stories, I suppose they are not true if you don't believe in God. I believe in God though the story of our corrupt government who fund themselves at the hand of mexican and columbian drug lords seemed a more important point to get out. They keep them illegal so they can reap millions.

Posted by localfisherman (anonymous) on March 7, 2008 at 11:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

how can you say they dont come close to crime caused by gambling, am i actually reading this right,you must be on meth too, id like to know where your getting all of this rediculous information

Posted by localfisherman (anonymous) on March 7, 2008 at 11:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

you say "now lets talk about the financial problems associated with illegal drugs" and then go on a gambling rant without mentioning the "financial problems" hmmmm soungs kind of like a meth induced rant to me, jumping from one thing to the next without even mentioning the thing you wanted to talk about in the first place. sounds like you need some help yourself

Posted by freefalling (anonymous) on March 7, 2008 at 12:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well said localfisherman!!

Posted by desertrat (anonymous) on March 7, 2008 at 3:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To americasmostwantedmyspace: I only wish I were making the story up about the little girls but unfortunately it's true. It happened in 2003 and you can find dozens of articles on it in the Las Vegas Review Journal by searching their archives under Beau Maestas. In fact the case was recently in the news again as the young woman (now 15) who was paralyzed during the knife attack was trying to get her mother (the drug seller) to give up her parental rights so she could be adopted by her foster parents. And please don't think that just because these articles are in the Las Vegas paper it happened there and therefore is just another sad story about crime in a big city. It happened in Mesquite, Nevada population in 2003 about 10,000, mostly retirees, (where I now live) and the kids who committed the crime were from Ogden, Utah, not Las Vegas. I don't care to get into the rest of the discussion. I just thought it would give the young people involved in this case a chance to see how easily drug involvement can escalate into crime and ruin not only your life but the lives of many innocent people.

Below is the web address of the Las Vegas Review Jounral where you can search their archive for additional articles concerning this case:

http://www.lvrj.com/news/

Posted by americasmostwantedmyspace (anonymous) on March 7, 2008 at 3:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

When I was younger, yes I experimented with drugs and alcohol. I gave up drugs and alcohol before my first daughter was born and have been clean over 8 years.

I have also seen firsthand the damage caused by gambling. People losing $50,000 in one night. I personally don't know anyone that could smoke $50,000 worth of meth in one night or even 6 months. Maybe you could do $50,000 in cocaine in 3 to 6 months.

The point is all these things are just as bad as meth, if not worse. It costs a 1,000 times as much to feed a gambling addiction as a drug addiction. If you can't see the math in that you should consider a higher education.

Where do you think they get the money to feed their gambling addiction? It don't grow on a tree in their backyard.

People are getting killed and murdered everyday and for the most part drugs have nothing to do with it. How many alcoholics have murdered people, either while drunk or completely sober? Yet you don't here anyone screaming to outlaw alcohol? You hear no ATF saying the alcohol user is a extremely violent and dangerous person.

People who murder someone while they are on drugs already had violent tendencies long before they started using drugs and to place the blame on the drug is just a complete cop out. They were going to kill someone anyways.
Whether they did drugs or not.

Posted by lpilan (anonymous) on March 7, 2008 at 4:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To americasmostwantedmyspace, you need to remember that they are PARABLES. That's it. there are lessons to be learned from. As for your connection to the drug lords, I am still a little lost. You do seem to be contradicting yourself on these ideas about the drug lords. The mentioning of the ATF and not saying the alcohol user is violent, that is something you should probably look at. Individuals 'labeled' as alcoholics are deemed by society as social deviants, individuals that lean towards violent behavior. But, I do agree with you on the fact that people do tend to label anyone with any chemical dependency issue as 'evil' and 'violent;.

Posted by freefalling (anonymous) on March 7, 2008 at 4:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

americasmostwantedmyspace...I completely disagree with you. I know kind hearted people who got rapped up in drugs and it changes everything about you who you are. When on drugs and buying drugs you get wrapped up in drama and paranoia. It doesn't take long before you justify the stealing to get drugs as not that bad. Then it will always lead to larger things. You can start out to be a very nice, caring person and turn into the devil in a year.

Posted by Sumwun (anonymous) on March 7, 2008 at 11:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, Joel...we feel terrible for you. The whole world is out to get you and you've been victimized. From all the honest, tax paying, hard working people of this county, I apologize on behalf of all of us. Meanwhile another career criminal, drug-peddling, child endangering dirtbag is behind bars and we're all better for it and a we're all a little bit safer. Good job sheriff's dept. You may not be able to throw away the key, but if it inconveniences these people a little bit more so that they may move away from our community a little sooner then later...I'll buy that.

Posted by buzzman55 (anonymous) on March 8, 2008 at 1:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

HAS A FORMER DRUG ADDICT I DON'T FEEL SORRY FOR THESE CLOWNS. DRUGS ARE DRUGS AND THEY ARE ILLEGAL.ITS THAT PLAIN AND THAT SIMPLE. THAT'S THE CHANCE YOU TAKE IF YOU CHOOSE TO TAKE DRUGS. MY EX-WIFE AT THE AGE OF 55 IS SITTING IN PRISON FOR 20 YEARS FOR SELLING ANDS TAKING DRUGS. YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE, THERE ARE NO EXCUSES ONLY THE MANY ABUSES.

Posted by ms (anonymous) on March 8, 2008 at 6:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow, it's great to see how many people CARE in this community. I had lost hope. My husband and I moved here about 4 years ago, and in that time he has had two DUI's. He did not have a problem with drinking until we moved here and he made friends with a few alcoholics. We've only been married for 5 years, and now we are in the process of a divorce over his alcoholism. This community must raise the question of what happens to help addicts once they have been released from jail? In my husband's and my experience; absolutely nothing. The judge ordered that my husband have an alcohol assessment, attend AA weekly, and refraim from drinking for two years. After both DUI's I called the alcohol assessor and told her that alcohol is ruining my husband's life and begged her to help him by not allowing him to just get off with a slap on the wrist. Even though it was ordered for my husband to attend AA and to refraim from alcohol, not once did anyone check in to see how he was doing, so he continued on as he had been, picking up another DUI and driving drunk whenever he wanted. He would not tell me where he was going, he would just disappear-knowing that if I knew, I would call the police hoping that this time, he would receive help (and to keep him off of the roads while he is drunk)! NO ONE IS MONITERING CONVICTED ADDICTS IN THIS COMMUNITY!! What do we expect when we make them sit in a jail for a bit and then release them without ensuring that they receive help for their addictions? The court is the only thing in an addicted person's life with the power to make a difference-everything that I, our son, our families, our friends could do to persuade my husband to stop we have done, to no avail. Although I am a psychology major and have worked in half-way house's and treatment center's, I could not help him to stop ruining his life and hitting rock bottom-beginning to drag me and our son with him until I broke it off. The only proven thing that can help an addict stop is to complete a 12-step program. Without a court's intervention, an addict will not usually be motivated to seek help. An addict has lost control of themselves and need someone to "take the reins". The Ottertail court system needs to step up and enforce supervision or expect to see the same offender's again and again. Might as well put a exitless revolving door in the courthouse.

Posted by bmom1 (anonymous) on March 8, 2008 at 4:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

MS- I applaude you

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Posted by justwanttoknow (anonymous) on March 9, 2008 at 10:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

No jesse will never forget what happened to stacy, but it is unfair of you to blame him for that, yes he might have been with you that night,, and for the drugs did she even have to leave her house for them??? and if you know the family you also know stacy tired to take her life before that...yes i knew stacy and yes she was very sweet,,

Posted by freefalling (anonymous) on March 9, 2008 at 7:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

angelstacy...Maybe you don't know Stacy's family too well. They are all pretty messed up themselves with drugs. Drugs may have been what led Stacy to suicide but no one else. Jesse loved her and he stills struggles with it today so SHUT UP!!

Posted by angelstacy (anonymous) on March 10, 2008 at 12:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

u say u knew her but did u really did u know that i was the 1 who stayed with her did u know my sister was the 1 who found her and excuse me i am her family and i dont do drugs and for any of u to say that u dont know me or my family at all there is more then just her mom and dad i stayed with her in the der the night she oded on pills and when she decided her life wasnt worth living i didnt say jesse killed her i said he contributed to it and yes i knew stacy very well i and my immediate family tried to get her help but we couldnt because her parents would have her put into treatment i think u all need to take a step back and remember those who r lost wont u ever learn

Posted by lvlybabies (anonymous) on March 10, 2008 at 10:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Stacy was my friend. I loved her dearly. I really don't think that her name should be brought up in this circumstance. She's gone, and her name doesn't need to be thrown around like this, even if people are defending her. Her past is over and gone, and it's time to let it go.

Posted by TimPiper (anonymous) on March 10, 2008 at 1:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This comment does not concern the news story which prompted these comments. It concerns my opinion of the Fergus Falls Daily Journal for allowing "annonymous" comments such as these to be published in this forum.

It would seem to me that the Fergus Falls Daily Journal is so hard up for readership that it will stoop to any depths in order to keep people reading it.

There once was a time when Letters to the Editor needed to be signed in order to be published. Has this been changed, or don't journalistic ethics apply to the online version.

The National Enquirer has always been held up as the shining example of everything that professional journalism IS NOT. The Enquirer better look over its shoulder because the Fergus Falls Daily Journal is right on its heals.

These posts are not journalism or even editorial comment, mostly they're just gossip.

Annonymous posts regarding people's personal lives? Give me a break - does this paper have an editor??? If so, someone should wake him up and ask him to do his job.

Tim Piper
Fergus Falls, MN