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Taxpayers launch revolution

Published 11:32 a.m., April 16, 2009

Attendees at a tax day protest in Elbow Lake Wednesday said they’re concerned rising national debt will fall on the shoulders of their children.

The so-called “tea party” was one of hundreds of similar events across the country marking the day federal tax returns were due. Organized by Grant County Republicans, the Elbow Lake event was both a protest against government spending and a call for change.

Laurel Malmstrom, a longtime Republican activist from Henning, was among the participants gathered outside the Grant County courthouse. The grandmother of six, Malmstrom said she’s worried the stimulus package and other spending by federal officials will be detrimental to her loved ones.

“I really feel they’re stealing from my grandchildrens’ future,” she said. “They’re going to be bankrupt before they actually go out into the (workforce).”

Bill Schulz of Fergus Falls, the father of two college-age daughters, echoed similar sentiments.

“I don’t see why, at that young age, they have to owe that much money for the excesses of their elders,” he said.

Speakers at Wednesday’s gathering referenced the American colonists who dumped tea into Boston Harbor in December 1773 as a protest against taxation without representation.

“We’re being represented but we’re protesting the unbelievable spending that’s happening at the federal level today,” said Dave Starner, chair of the Republican Party of Grant County.

Hilda Bettermann, a former state representative from Brandon, said the country is increasingly governed by special interests who get millions of dollars worth of tax exemptions.

“Remember, we the people are the government,” she said. “But our elected officials seem to have forgotten that.”

“The first American tea party birthed a nation,” she said. “The second could help save it.”

For Jason Kirchenwitz, who attended the tea party with his wife and infant, the event was also about education. The country’s national debt should be a concern for people across all political parties, he said.

“It’s not just a Republican thing, it’s an American thing,” he said.

A petition voicing locals’ concerns will be mailed to the president and Minnesota congressional leaders, Starner said. Dozens of empty tea bags collected by protesters are also destined for the White House.

At least 16 Minnesota cities were scheduled to host tea parties Wednesday, including one in St. Paul that included a tea-dumping ceremony. The Republican Party of Otter Tail County is tentatively scheduling a similar event for May.


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Posted by melindakay (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 11:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I believe the original Boston Tea Party was protesting tax cuts... I will leave the definition of "tea-bagging" to someone else. :) It's too bad the brilliant founders of the "tea-bagging" are obviously not up to par on their history or English lessons!

Posted by earlhofert (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 12:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Of course this is political - not a single one of these people took issue with the out of control spending of the previous eight years. Oh, but how it toads the wet sprocket to have a Democrat in charge...

If this same story ran last year, I'd have less of a problem with the protests.

Posted by PatrioticToo (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 12:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The line “It’s not just a Republican thing, it’s an American thing,” is laughable. Where were they the last 8 years? Where were they on the war, which was paid "off the books" with money we borrowed from other countries. Where were they on huge tax cuts to the wealthy that of course didn't result in a trickle down. Unless, you want to talk about how the Wall St and big Banks trickled on America. It's truely, truely a Republican thing. Mind numbed ditto heads who can't think for themselves being lead around. If you look at this country's history, to really ruin the economy for the masses (not the wealthy) have the Republicans run things for a while. All they have now, is propaganda and lies.

Posted by GeorgeBWright (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 12:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lets call it what it really is. "Republican Party Pity Parties". A bunch of sore losers who didn't get their way in November. If they are so ticked off about taxes they should have done something about excessive spending and deregulation during the Bush administration.

Posted by mgdbottled (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 12:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I guess they're protesting the fact that President Obama gave 95% of Americans a tax cut. What? It wasn't enough? The very rich won't see their taxes raised back to the Clinton levels until 2011. BTW, taxes were higher under Reagan than under Clinton. Where were the protests then? Where were the protests when Bush, Jr. and the republican congress looted our treasury to the tune of six trillion dollars. Oh, we didn't have the Fox News channel back then spewing their hate. Just proves my argument that republicans are morons.

Posted by TwinsGuy (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 1:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This has less to do with taxes and more to do with an ever increasing "nanny state" that continues to erode all of our rights. Republican or democrat it matters not, all of us should be concerned with a government which, through its social "do gooding" has already run the housing market into the ground and now believes it should take over healthcare, auto manufacturing, banking, on and on. We're well on our way to European socialism. I believe that's why our founding fathers originally came here, to avoid government tyranny and establish a land where personal rights and responsibilities came before government. Its time to take back control of OUR country.

Posted by Viking1 (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 1:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Like the old saying goes" We can't all be Democrats, somebody has to work". With less and less people working and more and more democrats coming across the border every day, where is all this money going to come from? Just how many are living off the government in Michigan now mgd? Typical liberals, uneducated,unemployed, but whining loudly how the world owes them everything!

Posted by sweetpea (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 2:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I bet 99% of those tea baggers got a tax reduction on April 1st, but they would rather whine about the rich not getting a tax break.

Posted by anamerican (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 2:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well said TwinsGuy, I couldn't agree with you more.

I have a question for MGD, if roughly 50% of our population do NOT pay income taxes, how does 95% of Americans get a tax cut?

Posted by earlhofert (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 2:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah - god forbid we should have affordable healthcare for all, not just the poor and the old and government officials. And god forbid we have banks that don't go out of their way to sell loans to people who can't afford them...seriously, I don't think think that "european socialism" will be what does us in - it'll be unregulated corporate greed.

Posted by GrammarNazi (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 2:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TwinsGuy, the primary reason the housing market was run aground is that the government LEFT IT ALONE. Had there really been more of a "nanny state" -- more stringent regulations in place -- the AIGs of the world wouldn't have had the opportunity to play Texas Hold'em in the markets. Temporary market corrections are in order if we're going to recover from the mess left by the previous administration. Your life is not being taken over by faceless men in dark trenchcoats. Take a few deep breaths and relax.

Posted by bucksteel (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 2:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Actually, there were more "stringent regulations" in place - the Clinton administration did away with them. It just took a few years to implode.

Posted by anamerican (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 2:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

GrammerNazi, do you know who decided to LEAVE IT ALONE (in reference to the housing market)?

Posted by GrammarNazi (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 2:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Partially correct, Bucksteel. The changes were made DURING the Clinton years -- actually at the very end of his last term -- and he did sign off on them. But the legislation originated in the Senate, being the brainchild of Republican Senator Phil Gramm and a handful of financial lobbyists. That piece of work, the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, opened the floodgates for years of willynilly speculation with no accountability whatsoever. Our recovery will need to include a return to sensible government oversight that prevents screwballs from making billions at the expense of our nation's well-being.

Posted by Stonewall (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 2:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

GrammerNazi, You are totally wrong and backwards. The government has stepped in countless times and lowered interest rates to try to stimulate the economy, thus creating a "false economy". That's why when things hit the fan, it fell hard.

Posted by otterfan (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 2:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is what the tea parties are about:

It's about spending — too much spending, to be specific. The idea that a business is too big to fail is anti-American; we've always been for the underdog.

It's about putting my family — my children — under $12.8 trillion in debt; all it took was two presidents and six months.

It's about the idea that we're all socialists now.

It's about the idea that the government can force companies, banks and states to take money and the strings that are attached to it, that they didn't want.

It's about power — too much power going to federal government.

It's about corruption — too much corruption, in both parties.

It's about the rule of law — that no one is above the law: if you're here legally or illegally, it applies-never too rich or powerful.

It's about if you write the tax code you should pay your taxes.

It's about the Republic, not mob rule.

It's about the concept of free speech — we've been called insane, lunatics and worse, just for speaking out.

It's about the years of lies from both parties — a Republican Party that claims to be for small government but gives us Medicare Part D that's got $17 trillion in unfunded liabilities.

It's about hypocrisy — both parties claim to be the most ethical, but we get corruption and not one damn person in Washington to speak out against it.

It's about the media that gets into bed with one party and has moved so far left that it can't even begin to see we're not extremists, we're moms and dads who just want to have a Republic for our children; but they can't see it.
www.glennbeck.com

Posted by anamerican (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 2:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"I want to begin by saying that I am glad to consider the legislation, but I do not think we are facing any kind of a crisis. That is, in my view, the two government sponsored enterprises we are talking about here, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not in a crisis. We have recently had an accounting problem with Freddie Mac that has led to people being dismissed, as appears to be appropriate. I do not think at this point there is a problem with a threat to the Treasury.

I must say we have an interesting example of self-fulfilling prophecy. Some of the critics of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac say that the problem is that the Federal Government is obligated to bail out people who might lose money in connection with them. I do not believe that we have any such obligation. And as I said, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy by some people.

So let me make it clear, I am a strong supporter of the role that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac play in housing, but nobody who invests in them should come looking to me for a nickel--nor anybody else in the Federal Government."
-Barney Frank

Posted by GrammarNazi (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 3 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry, Stonewall, but no. Fluctuations in interest rates have nothing to do with where we are today. Investment banks aren't failing because of low rates, they're failing because they made bad investments in an unregulated securities market. I encourage you to Google like crazy -- try running searches on Phil Gramm, the CFMA, AIG, credit default swaps, Joseph Cassano -- and you'll get a more accurate picture of why the economy is in the crapper.

Posted by Apatriot (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 3:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We can’t fix stupid!!
How do people manage to go through life being so wrong on so many levels? If any of you socialist / communists who really believe that the Boston tea party happened because of a tax reduction, please sound off. Being a good capitalist I could compare your response with the demand for a store to help people learn how to tie their own shoes, instead of demanding that someone do it for them.
As far as tea-bagging goes, what a pathetic attempt to classify and degrade true Americans willing to stand up for what they believe is right, instead of being a coward and hiding behind a computer screen!! (One more thing on this wonderful terminology, why is it only democrats know the meaning of tea-bagging)
95% of Americans received a tax break, instead of claiming such a number how about you describe this tax scheme, because I am not seeing it. I have however seen taxes increases on cigarettes, alcohol, and gas. On top of that we are seeing proposed property tax increases, and a proposed increase in the sales tax and our wonderful state socialist (democrats) are trying to cut K-12 education funding. Oh yes the reality of the situation is becoming clearer. The bigger the lie the more who will believe it (Adolf Hitler! Germany’s dark knight).
Furthermore the Kool-Aid drinkers carry on tax breaks for the rich!!!!! Ok guilty, your right the conservatives have an idea that maybe the rich can hold onto their gains and not be punished for their hard work. Let’s compare that to the Democrats belief that multi millionaires deserve our tax dollars. Why is it that you are willing to give our tax money to the wealthy instead of letting them keep their own? Rose colored glasses? Or did your savior spike the Kool-Aid????
As my favorite saying goes, no matter how hard you try “you just can’t fix stupid!”

Posted by earlhofert (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 3:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"taxes increases on cigarettes, alcohol, and gas."

I thought those were "user fees"...

Posted by bucksteel (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 3:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You too are partially correct, grammarnazi - the legislative changes were initially recommended to Congress by the President’s Working Group on Financial Products, whose strongest proponents of deregulation included Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan, Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin (and later Secretary Larry Summers), and Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) chairman Arthur Levitt. So at least 2 Clinton Cabinet members (Rubin and Summers) were included on the original design of the deregulation bill.

Interestingly, this legislation passed (with no debate) as part of the 2000 Omnibus Budget - passed by unanimous consent in the Senate, and supported in the House by 157 Democrats and 133 Republicans (9 Democrats opposed, as did 51 Republicans).

Posted by farawaythankgod (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 4:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I, a bleeding heart Democrat, a Liberal and then some, am sitting here at my computer, reading what those unfortunate Dittoheads have to say.

Let me get this straight: Their chairman, Dittohead #1, spends 8 years pulling the plug on the bottom of USS America. National debt explodes, violent crimes are up, average income is down, stock market way down.

Now these unfortunate creatures assemble at the hole in the hull and yell at the guy who brought a plug that fits for bringing a plug, and that they don't want their children to have to pay for it.

We've had this unreflected verbal garbage come out of the White House for much too long. It is good and refreshing that someone with a brain is sitting on that chair now and all the neo-fascists can do now is provide their rural followers with tea bags.

Private gun ownership should be next.

Posted by proterrorist (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 4:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Let’s compare that to the Democrats belief that multi millionaires deserve our tax dollars." It's not just Dems who believe that- the Repubs have been redistributing our tax dollars upward since Reagan- this is nothing new.
Just out of curiosity- have there been any reported sightings of non-white people at any of these tea parties? I haven't been able to spot any. I guess blacks and mexicans must really get a thrill out of paying taxes- or they are too afraid to show up because they know that all the white protesters are packing and will make an example out of them. Makes sense though, as the DHS is warning about the rise in right wing extremism- which incidentally happened to pick up around the same time these tea parties began popping up.

Posted by proterrorist (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 5 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Let me get this straight: Their chairman, Dittohead #1, spends 8 years pulling the plug on the bottom of USS America. National debt explodes, violent crimes are up, average income is down, stock market way down."
All of this is irrelevant to these people, they are just upset that a black muslim who had lunch with Bill Ayers once is now president and do not know where to direct their anger. The situation is starting to remind me of 1920s Nazi germany. The population was pissed (rightly so) and needed someone to blame for their problems. Then along came a demagogue and rallied the population and the rest is history. The condidtions are ripe right now in America for a similar demagogue to emerge. Not Rush Limbaugh or anything, but someone with his views who is a little more likable and charismatic. I'm not joking around here- This is really scary stuff

Posted by ibejim (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 5:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Funny how the people protesting are the same ones who voted for the meatheads that caused all this mess. Remember as well that the national debt at the end of georgies presidency was near 11 trillion. Not bad for eight years of work!!

Posted by Norse (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 5:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That's funny ibejim, I don't remember voting for Pelosi and the rest of the spending spree nuts that have been on the hill for those years. And I sure didn't vote for the biggest enable of inflation, taxes, and spending in the worlds history either. But whatever, it'll be fun, I'm sure.

Posted by ibejim (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 5:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

8 of the previous 10 years repubs controlled congress 6 of which george was in the white house. Kind of hard to blame on the dems. There was no way they could pass anything when w was in office.

Posted by otterpride (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 5:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Private gun ownership should be next"

Farawaythankgod.....you are a clown, move to Socialist Europe if you feel this way. Our ancestors moved to this great land to have the exact rights that this Obama goof (along with his sidekicks Pelosi and Reid) wants to take away. Take away all these damn socialist programs like welfare, housing assistance, etc. instead of adding a ridiculous thing such as government healthcare. Its really not that tough. Work hard, pay your bills on time. If you want inferior healthcare that is covered by the government, move to Canada or Europe somewhere. Believe me, you wont be missed.

Posted by shellback (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 5:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No one understands who Obama is and that included me. The media has never told us who Obama is. Obama spent twenty years being trained by a Saul Alinsky organization "Industrial Areas Foundation" in Chicago. Jeremiah Wright was the pastor of a church Obama attended who embraced the same ideals as Alinsky. Alinski wrote a book amongst several called "RULES FOR RADICALS". If you check it out you will see who Obama is. Obama is not a Democrat, he is not a Socialist. Alinsky taught the Have-Nots to hate the establishment of the Haves". Check it out because where we are going is where none of you want to go.

Posted by farawaythankgod (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 6:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Otterpride:

You'll probably believe it - I grew up in Europe and still carry a passport that says "European Union" on it. I was 'exposed' to what you call 'inferior' health care there for most of my life. Last time I went there I showed and translated some websites for my family. "RushLimbaugh.com" and the likes. At first they could not believe that there are people who believe this crap. When I told them there are many who do and at the same time feel the rest of the world could learn from them, they laughed pretty hard.

Sleep well.

Posted by tracy (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 6:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Apatroit, maybe if you had a job you could have checked your pay stub and if you could read you could see your tax cut. As for government run health care my husband gets it from the V.A. and its better than any private for profit care, but I guess you right wing draftg dodgers would not know about that. I have never seen a rebublican yet who was not whining about something, or crying about something else, just like the biggest cry baby in the world Boss Limbaugh.

Posted by farawaythankgod (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 6:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Proterrorist: I agree with you, it is very scary. What worries me the most is how gullible so many people seem to be. In 95, Republicans in Congress managed to shut down government for several days with the effect that hundreds of thousands if not millions of old people didn't get their Social Security checks. At the same time the media was intensely discussing prayer in schools.

This is really a beautiful country with a lot of very hard working people in it. Democracy requires an informed electorate. That's where the shortcomings are.

Posted by sweetpea (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 6:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Who else but the upper crust would have a tea bag anyway?
Real people drink coffee.

Oh boy? my tea is brewed correctly now, you may remove the bag.

Posted by mgdbottled (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 8:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What was it that Tom Hank's character in Forrest Gump said? Something like "stupid is as stupid does". That's a very fit descripion of what took place on tax day. I used to think that these type people were uniformed. No more. That's giving them way to much credit.

Posted by peanutbutter (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 8:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How about we give Obama and them Dems a little time before we start to impeach him. Not sure if any of you actually work and have a retirment, but mine lost 45 percent last year. At least it's breaking even this year. The U.S. has been the laughing stock of the world for the past 4 years and he's only trying to figure out how to fix it. We can't keep spending billions of dollars in a country that's only going to be in chaos after we leave. We can't let OPEC do the same thing to the economy when the economy starts to come back. If these private companies are in need of government assistance then they are no longer private companies and the government has every right to control them. Not claiming to be a Republican or a Democrat I'm appalled by the people of this country not supporting who unamously won a election. How about we give the kid a chance and maybe after a couple years we can talk about what's wrong. We know what's wrong now and we know G.W. didn't have a clue how to fix it.

Posted by GeorgeBWright (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 8:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Apatriot, you must spend a lot of time watching Fox News. You use every one of their catch phrases.

Posted by Apatriot (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 10:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Tracy
First off attack the messenger not the message. For one thing I do work, for a second I am highly educated and can read. Third this wonderful increase you seem to see in your paycheck that’s just barrowed money that you will need to pay back at tax time next year, check into it, know your facts.
As far as draft dodgers go there is no draft in effect, and Bill Clinton was far better at dodging than anyone I know.
As for whining well lets recap the last 6 years of belly aching that has taken place by your side.
Finally unlike a democrat, I madam do think for myself.
The clock is ticking on you socialist, a new day is rising and America will find itself waking up on the right side of the bed.

Posted by Viking1 (anonymous) on April 16, 2009 at 10:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tracy, I agree the VA is a good example of government run health care. It is overwhelmed with patients with the sniffles because it is free---has a severe shortage of physicians---is archaic--and run by many un-caring government workers. I am also familiar with the VA system. Most Doctors are not there long due to the low pay. There are also some excellent, caring physicians in the VA system but they are outnumbered. They are making an attempt to change but change is slow within the government. In case you didn't know, the ultimate in health care is available not only at the 3 Mayo facilities but also at many other hospitals throughout the US. Everyone is deserving of good health care but, I want to chose who I go to. I have worked and paid for my health care and I do not need some beauacrat telling me who I can see, and when I can see them. I lived in Europe for 3 years and experienced their care, I will take ours any day. Your remark about republicans serving and draft dodgers is just to stupid to waste my time answering! I am one of the many republicans that served in Viet Nam

Posted by edrule3 (anonymous) on April 17, 2009 at 3:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I listened to several reporters interview dozens of tea-party activists and the common thread was they were all incited to this activity by the FOX news channel . . . you know - the 'Fair and Balanced' guys.
If these people would ever try and temper their knowledge with a little from the other networks they might realize what fools they've become. They are acting like they have a clue. It's laughable. It didn't take much probing from the reporters to find that none of them had any idea what they were talking about. Many of them got cornered and found they had no clue how to answer the questions so they got hot tempered and seemed of the verge of hostilities. Reminded me of the pre-election tripe the republican camp was all about.
Oh well, America spoke up and the republicans are out. As more and more people realize the perspectives other networks can offer, for a change, and letting a little daylight into their severely traumatized brains, the democrat party will just get stronger and stronger and the dispersions FOX et al, has cast will be swept away by truth. The only problem there is that it takes a long time to undo the damage they inflict with their alarmist agenda of misinformation on those without the ability, or desire, to change the channel. I try to watch FOX from time to time, but can't much stand it for long. I feel violated knowing their message is purely for the elitists agenda. Think about that.
People are realizing they're only shooting themselves in the foot if they're falling for the rhetoric of the rich elitists.
Question: How many pro-republican posters here can actually say their taxes went up that are making less than $250,000/year?
If the answer is 'not you', then guess what . . . where's your sign? Because you've been severely suckered by the propaganda machine of the elitist rich.

Posted by BobWilliams (Bob Williams) on April 17, 2009 at 5:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Glenn Beck quotes? Did I really see that? How laughable.

Posted by otterfan (anonymous) on April 17, 2009 at 7:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey BobWilliams here's some more COMMON SENSE quotes for ya. Laughable??? I don't think so. Reality....Unfortunately.

Bush and Obama spend or put us on the hook for $12.8 trillion, but I'm the extremist?

Cap and Trade without any plan on who pays the taxes or where the money goes, but I'm the extremist?

States are looking to apply retroactive taxes — that's like changing the rules in the middle of the game — but I'm the extremist?

Vilifying AIG executives, without any law being broken, just for accepting money they were owed, but I'm the extremist?

Bush and Obama have taken over and want to take over banks, car manufacturers and insurance companies, but I'm the extremist?

The politicians in the House and Senate stuff $20 billion in pork and earmarks into spending bills when we have to beg the Chinese to loan us that money, and I'm the extremist?

A Supreme Court justice and Harold Koh, who will help run the State Department, talk about trans-nationalism and by definition a diminished role for the Constitution, but I'm the extremist?

Politicians openly talk of the Fairness Doctrine — or its ugly twin, "localism" — and curtailing my free speech, but I'm the extremist?

Unions and big labor politicians want to take away the right to a secret ballot, but I'm the extremist?

I believe in the Constitution. I believe in the Founding Fathers. I believe in the American people. When did believing those things make someone — anyone — an extremist?

I'm not the extremist.

I learned something from a lawyer friend of mine who won lots of cases in front of judges and lawyers — I asked him how he won so many cases. He said it's easy: If the law supports my client's position I argue the law. If not, I argue the facts. If the facts don't support my client's position, I just attack the opposition.

They can't attack the message, so I guess they have to target the messenger.
www.glennbeck.com

Posted by 89Heritage (anonymous) on April 17, 2009 at 7:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

edrule3, Fox news is # 1 for a reason. When they say something, You can check the facts & you will find they are telling you the truth. Try that with the other networks. They are far left, with very little facts & going under because of it. They are a discrace to the country & there profession. To All Liberals a.k.a. Cancer of America. You are starting to see the true americans coming out. The silent MAJORITY will not be silent anymore. You are pushing buttons that will bring violence to your door soon. I hear it more & more. I do believe this is what obama & the rest of the corrupt, non tax paying, un-American liberal politicians want. What they don't realize,is you WILL lose.

Posted by BeaverFan (anonymous) on April 17, 2009 at 9:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If they are "tea bagging" at these demonstrations....Im going to attend!

Posted by proterrorist (anonymous) on April 17, 2009 at 9:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Obama is not a Democrat, he is not a Socialist."- Obama is a centrist Democrat, he never really pretended to be anything else. He just looks liberal because the Bush administration was just so far off the charts.
89Heritage- how are gun-owning white people any sort of majority in this country?

Posted by liberty (anonymous) on April 17, 2009 at 11:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

proterrorist wrote, "He (Obama) just looks liberal because the Bush administration was just so far off the charts."

Really? With Bush's prescription drug welfare program? By signing the campaign finance reform (incumbent protection) bill? Allowing Ted Kennedy to write the education bill? By not vetoing any legislation written by a democrat congress?

Posted by otterfan (anonymous) on April 17, 2009 at 12:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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Here goes:
Hello, The user abdul sent the following message to you via The Daily Journal: ============================== otterfan, you forking Nazi. Allah will have your head cut off. We are here now, we are supreme. You nazi's are too busy sipping tea to fight anything. Go count your money, we are right behind you. Alah is great, Alah is great. You will be more worried about your money to see us coming. When your head rolls, Alah will be pleased.

Nut Job. can't even spell allah right. Please...get a life abdul.

Posted by otterfan (anonymous) on April 17, 2009 at 12:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh and Abdul...sorry to burst your bubble, but Allah is fake. If you were so sure about your threats and your 'God' why can't you threaten me on a public thread....why does it have to be my personal email address?
Do your adoptive parents know you act and talk this way? You don't deserve to be an American with that terroristic attitude. Go back to Africa if that is where you feel you belong.

Posted by liberty (anonymous) on April 17, 2009 at 12:55 p.m.

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Posted by thethinker (Todd Leucuta) on April 17, 2009 at 12:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If FOX is gaining viewership, and CNN is losing viewership, how can the liberals say they have the right ideas and that more americans agree with them? The media elected Obama. I listened to some of the "reporting" being done by CNN "reporters" and it was embarrassing. Don't get me wrong - there are bad reporters on both sides.

Posted by liberty (anonymous) on April 17, 2009 at 1:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Don't get me wrong - there are bad reporters on both sides."

Don't qualify your point of view. That is a weakness of the republican party right now. If you are correct, let it stand.

Fox is leading CNN due to the superior integrity of Fox's reporting. A new business doesn't compete with an established business by offering the same quality of product; the new product must be superior to attract customers.

Posted by proterrorist (anonymous) on April 17, 2009 at 1:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Fox is certainly gaining viewship- I watch Fox way more than any other news channel- more for the comedic value, however, than the "superior integrity of Fox's reporting" which hardly requires comment. I watched Hannity's staging of a "grassroots" tea party in Atlanta- I haven't laughed so hard since Beavis and Butthead do America. My side is till hurting.
Obama is not as far to the left as you would like to believe. He's taken very centrist positions on the tarp, healthcare, and the wars. If he was really a socialist, he would have completely nationalized the banks instead of just subsidizing them, would be advocating a single payer healthcare system rather than one thats designed to benefit insurance companies and hmos, and instead of escalating war in afghanistan he would be leaving

Posted by proterrorist (anonymous) on April 17, 2009 at 1:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Liberty have you read the Bush torture memos yet?

Posted by BloopTriple (anonymous) on April 17, 2009 at 3:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here's my problem with this stupidity:

From the story: “I really feel they’re stealing from my grandchildrens’ future,” she said.

So we're supposed to slash taxes? That's going to do what to the federal debt, again?

I believe we ARE stealing from our grandchildren. But that means we have to suck it up and pay for the crap we get like Medicare, Social Security, education, baseball stadiums, etc., or scale those things back.

Posted by liberty (anonymous) on April 17, 2009 at 3:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

proterrorist, did you see Obama prostrating himself before the Saudi King?

Posted by proterrorist (anonymous) on April 17, 2009 at 3:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Liberty you need to read the book House of Obama, House of Saud

Posted by palmbe (anonymous) on April 18, 2009 at 12:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Interesting comments here. I'm curious as to all the concern over some citizens participating in their constitutionally guaranteed right to freely assemble and practice their freedom of speech. Was there any violence or property destruction? Is it only a valid demonstration if there is said destruction and rioting that is so often seen when people on the left demonstrate. As of last count at least 1.5 million people participated in these assemblies across the nation. There has not been one report of any illegal, unruly, or destructive behavior. I saw people of every color attending these rallies, judging from all the pictures plastered all over the net. People freely signed their names and addresses to petitions, no one hid behind a mask. Not a car was torched or a window broken. So what is the beef here. Is is because a great many people object to the largest bunch of deficit spending ever in the history of this country. Maybe it's the objection to the acrual of more debt from this one President than from all the Presidents combined since George Washington. Or is it the constant intrusion into private lives and businesses. What car we should drive, what the thermastat should be set at, or what kind of food we should eat. Maybe the fact the Mr. Obama campaigned as a centrist but is 'ruling' from the far left has gotten some people worried.

So far the policies that this administration has proposed or signed into law are the failed policies of the past. But we will see won't we, & I wonder who will be screaming the loudest when there is no more money to give to those who don't earn it.

At any rate, I wonder why the left is so upset about the thousands of people who were exercising their constitutional rights! Oh I know, you want us to give your guy a chance, like the chance the left gave Mr Bush? Well, the democrats are in power now and we shall see where that takes our country.

Posted by dutchsays (anonymous) on April 18, 2009 at 2:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

So, lets get a recap on all this. There werent any blacks or Hispanics at these tea parties? Funny, I saw a lot of them, for they too work and pay taxes and are concerned about the ever increasing loss of our individual liberties in the name of our Ayatollah Obamas's "collective" good.
And only Republicans attended? I spoke to at least sixty people of the more than 150 at the Elbow Lake TEA party. Eleven were Democrats who said they were frightened by the extreme shifts to the left Obama has shown, and the arrogant contempt his fellow radical leftist Democrats in the leadership in Congress have for the character and will of the American people. Another seven were independents who could not believe that the spending and deficits were so out of control after just three months of the Obama regime, and much more spending scheduled in legislation pending before the Congress. Several leather jacketed motorcyclists
felt threatened by the Almighty One's tendency to issue executive orders, bypassing congressional debate and review of his policies and ruling by fiat and decree. Only twenty of sixty, but that is a third of the participants who were identifiably not Republicans.
BTW, did anyone notice that on the network news ( except for Fox) all the reporters characterized the freely assembled peacefully demonstrating people as some sort of inferior malcontents unworthy of consideration, respect, a moment's attention? One must conjecture whether all the networks got their morning briefing from Rahm Immanuel and Robert Gibbs instructing them in the vocabulary, tonal inflections, facial expressions, and proper curls of lips to
appropriately demean the great unwashed who would dare to criticize the Annointed One's actions and motives. Bravo to those with the courage to stand up to tyranny in all its forms.

Posted by edrule3 (anonymous) on April 18, 2009 at 12:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Right otterfan, and I'll be sure to bring that terroristic threat up when I am reporting 89's TT to the police. I think it is important we put all terrorists where they belong. There's no place for terrorism in this world, other than where they can do no harm - like prison.
Wow, 89heritage, you do realize you just told me I can't express my opinions anymore and you're going to ". . . bring violence to my door soon."
I wouldn't be surprised if that's a felony in today's system. See what I mean about the kind of fools there are in that party. I really doubt 89 is pulling anywhere near $250k per year. This just proves he's one of those who've been fooled by the elitist's propaganda machine.
Oh well, whatever it takes, I'll continue educating those who can't figure it out for themselves.
There won't be much hiding behind his fictitious username once he's arrested. Keep an eye on the 'Record' (right-hand column), folks!

Posted by edrule3 (anonymous) on April 18, 2009 at 12:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, dutchsays, it's a conspiracy of gigantic proportions and you cannot resist us. We have telepathic abilities and can fly at lightspeed. We are what comic book legends are made of. We can become invisible - look behind you. Do you see us? No, because we are invisible.
Well, gotta go. I just received a message from the annointed one. We are to meet at our headquarters on planet democron in three seconds. Over and out. Wow, we're so cool!

Posted by edrule3 (anonymous) on April 18, 2009 at 12:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And - oh yeah, thank you for the "bravo", dutchsays. I will certainly continue my stand against tyranny - in all it's forms. Damn I'm courageous. Guess I never really realized it before. Again, thanks, dutchy!

Posted by edrule3 (anonymous) on April 18, 2009 at 1:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I wonder how many of palmbe's claimed 1.5 Million attendees were skipping out on work, because there cannot possibly be any republicans out of work, right? Oh, maybe they were the business 'owners'. Yeah, because, as viling1 and the rest are alway saying - it's the liberals who are the unemployed.

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